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To: Dale Baker who wrote (66102)10/5/2008 11:05:26 PM
From: Man on the moon of 114475
 
my estimate is a solid short term gain but watch out for the wall of worry imo

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To: Condor who wrote (66184)10/5/2008 11:06:26 PM
From: Lynn of 114475
 
WSJ: Fed Pushes to Resolve Wachovia Deal Dispute
Citi, Wells Fargo Discuss Carve-Up; Sparring in Court
OCTOBER 6, 2008
By DAVID ENRICH, DAN FITZPATRICK and DAMIAN PALETTA

In a sign that the federal government is worried about the volatile battle for Wachovia Corp., officials from the Federal Reserve were pushing for Citigroup Inc. and Wells Fargo & Co. to reach a compromise. The effort could result in carving up the Charlotte, N.C., bank between its two suitors, people familiar with the situation said.

People walk by a Wachovia branch in New York City.
Under the leading plan being discussed Sunday night, Citigroup and Wells Fargo would divvy up Wachovia's network of 3,346 branches along geographic lines, with Citigroup getting Wachovia's branches in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic regions and Wells Fargo taking those in the Southeast and California, according to people familiar with the talks. Wells Fargo would also take over Wachovia's asset-management and brokerage units.

Unlike Citigroup's original agreement to take over Wachovia's banking assets, in which the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. agreed to shoulder potentially hundreds of billions of dollars in toxic loans, the plans being discussed Sunday night don't entail either buyer receiving financial assistance from the U.S. government, according to people briefed on the talks.

The fact that Citigroup and Wells Fargo are duking it out for Wachovia, which was seen as in perilous condition barely a week ago, ought to be an encouraging sign for the shaky U.S. banking industry. But the second straight weekend of frantic negotiations also highlights how vulnerable the industry is to panicky customers and how the government is increasingly playing a significant role in the fate of major financial institutions.

Text of the ruling, 10/5/2008 (.pdf)Even as negotiations to split up Wachovia were proceeding, lawyers for Wachovia and Citigroup were sparring in court over the validity of an "exclusivity agreement" Wachovia had signed when it agreed to sell its banking business to Citigroup for $2.1 billion. A New York state appeals court Sunday night reversed a lower-court ruling from the day before that had extended the expiration of that agreement to Friday from Monday.

Citigroup, which contends Wachovia reneged on the binding deal, said it would appeal the decision that reversed the lower court's extension of the exclusivity agreement.

But the legal back-and-forth didn't appear to derail the discussions about splitting up Wachovia, said people familiar with the matter. Regulators and bankers are scrambling to quickly end the drama in part out of concern that if Wachovia remains in limbo when U.S. markets open Monday morning, it could further spook already jittery investors and bank customers.

Regulators seemed to be focusing their powers of persuasion on Citigroup and Wells Fargo, going so far as to often exclude Wachovia from the weekend talks even though Wachovia shareholders would presumably need to bless a sale.

The weekend negotiations were being led by senior Federal Reserve officials. The Treasury Department was also involved, but Secretary Henry Paulson recused himself from the talks because of his ties to Wachovia Chief Executive Robert Steel, a former top Treasury official before taking Wachovia's helm in July, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Without some sort of compromise, the fate of Wachovia could drag out for weeks or months in a legal battle that leaves the battered bank in limbo, distracted by controversy and further weakened by the mountain of bad loans that led to its government-engineered deal with Citigroup a week ago.

After agreeing in principle to a shotgun marriage early last Monday morning, Citigroup and Wachovia spent the next several days trying to hammer out the specifics of the deal, which called for Wachovia shareholders to receive just $1 a share for most of the company.

On Wednesday, New York-based Citigroup offered to boost the amount it was paying to buy most of Wachovia, and that proposal remains on the table, according to people familiar with the matter. The terms of that revamped proposal weren't clear and were delivered before Wells Fargo's surprise offer on Thursday night.

People close to Wachovia confirmed that Citigroup made a newer offer and that it did go before the board. But these people said the offer was still "many dollars" lower than Wells Fargo's bid, that it was not for the whole company, and that Citigroup wanted Wachovia to reassume certain liabilities.

Also, a person close to Wachovia said as late as Thursday that Citigroup was still trying to renegotiate terms that had been agreed to verbally by the banks' two chief executives, Citigroup's Vikram Pandit and Wachovia's Mr. Steel, including the ultimate location of the retail-banking operations, severance and certain benefits.

Illustrating the competing interests at play, a sworn affidavit filed this weekend in federal court by Mr. Steel paints a picture in which the eighth-largest U.S. bank in stock-market value is caught between two takeover bids while facing pressure from the FDIC to sell itself. The affidavit suggests that Wachovia has come within inches of failing at least twice during the past week.

The affidavit also suggests that the FDIC has pushed Mr. Steel toward the Wells Fargo deal, as the government would be taken off the hook for any future losses. The FDIC declined to comment on the affidavit.

Mr. Steel's 57-page filing says that the Sept. 25 failure of Washington Mutual Inc. and the uncertainty about the bailout legislation "resulted in significant downward pressure in the market on the price of Wachovia stock."

The next day, Wachovia and Citigroup entered into a "exclusivity agreement" about a possible acquisition. Wells Fargo and Wachovia entered into a similar agreement the same day.

A key issue in the unfolding legal fight between the three banks is the exclusivity agreement between Citigroup and Wachovia. That pact restricted Wachovia from entering into merger discussions with any other bank. But a provision in the federal financial-system bailout added a wrinkle to the situation, rendering unenforceable certain agreements that restrict merger talks between banks.

On Saturday night, Citigroup persuaded a New York state trial-court judge to extend the exclusivity agreement signed by Wachovia and Citigroup until Friday, according to Wachovia lawyer David Boies. Lawyers for Citigroup visited the judge, Charles Ramos, at his beach home in Cornwall, Conn., without anyone from Wachovia initially present, according to people familiar with the matter. Toward the end of the meeting, Wachovia's general counsel was allowed to dial in by phone.

Wachovia and Wells Fargo sought to overturn Judge Ramos's ruling. On Sunday, the company went to state appellate court to try to get the order overruled. Wachovia questioned the manner in which Judge Ramos issued the Saturday-night restraining order. A U.S. District Court judge didn't rule on the dispute Sunday but did say both sides had until an Oct. 7 hearing to submit briefs.

On Sunday night, a state appeals-court judge overturned Judge Ramos's ruling extending the duration of the exclusivity agreement. "I believe substantial questions have been raised regarding the authority of Justice Ramos to have issued the order while physically located outside the state of New York," Associate Justice James McGuire said in his ruling.

The Wachovia-Citigroup legal spat highlights how an obscure provision buried in a hastily negotiated piece of federal legislation has the potential to upend a precarious merger.

The provision was inserted into the rescue legislation last week, at the behest of the FDIC, according to people familiar with the matter. Lawyers said the clause appears to defang the exclusivity pact between Wachovia and Citigroup.

A spokesman for Wells Fargo, Larry Haeg, said the bank believes the statutory language "invalidates Wachovia's claimed exclusivity agreement with Citi." But Mr. Haeg said the bank had "no role in suggesting the language."

Citigroup officials were caught off-guard by the provision, with senior officials not being aware of it until Friday afternoon -- after President George W. Bush had signed the bill into law. Citigroup executives argued that the provision also could invalidate Wachovia's subsequent deal with Wells Fargo -- an assertion that those banks dismissed.

—Jon Hilsenrath, John D. McKinnon and Robin Sidel contributed to this article.
Write to David Enrich at david.enrich@wsj.com, Dan Fitzpatrick at dan.fitzpatrick@wsj.com and Damian Paletta at damian.paletta@wsj.com

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To: Man on the moon who wrote (66214)10/5/2008 11:42:22 PM
From: Schnullie of 114475
 
Nervous days as consumers tighten belts
By Louis Uchitelle, Andrew Martin and Stephanie Rosenbloom

Published: October 6, 2008

Cowed by the financial crisis, American consumers are pulling back on their spending, all but guaranteeing that the economic situation will get worse before it gets better.

In response to the falling value of their homes and high gasoline prices, Americans have become more frugal all year. But in recent weeks, as the financial crisis reverberated from Wall Street to Washington, consumers appear to have cut back sharply. Even with the government beginning a giant bailout of the financial system, their confidence may have been too shaken to resume their free-spending ways any time soon.

Recent figures from companies, and interviews across the country, show that automobile sales are plummeting, airline traffic is dropping, restaurant chains are struggling to fill tables, customers are sparse in stores.

When the final tally is in, consumer spending for the quarter just ended will almost certainly shrink, the first quarterly decline in nearly two decades. Many economists, who began the third quarter expecting modest growth, now believe the cutbacks are so severe that the overall economy did not expand either, and they warn that a consumer-led recession could be more severe than the relatively mild one earlier this decade.

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To: Dale Baker who wrote (66187)10/6/2008 1:51:48 AM
From: dalroi of 114475
 
well
seems the german governement ponies up 50 b to save it

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From: stevenallen10/6/2008 2:56:49 AM
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Asian markets plunge on fears crisis is spreading
By ALEX KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer

Asian stock markets plunged Monday as investors took scant comfort from Washington's passage of a $700 billion bank bailout and focused instead on deepening financial turmoil in Europe that threatens to slow global growth.

Japan's benchmark Nikkei 225 average was down 4.4 percent to 10,452, while Hong Kong's Hang Seng index slid 3.7 percent to 17,198.

Markets in mainland China, Australia, South Korea, Singapore and Thailand also fell sharply. Indonesia's key index plunged more than 5 percent.

Traders were spooked by Germany's announcement Sunday of a new bailout package totaling 50 billion euros ($69 billion) for Hypo Real Estate, the country's second-biggest commercial property lender, part of a scramble by European governments to save failing banks.

On Sunday, Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme said that France's BNP Paribas SA had committed to taking a 75-percent stake in troubled bank Fortis NV. British treasury chief Alistair Darling also said he was ready to take "pretty big steps that we wouldn't take in ordinary times" to help the country weather the credit crunch.

A dismal report Friday on the U.S. job market also added to the gloom, raising concerns about weakening American consumer demand for Asian exports.

"This credit crunch looks like it's not going away any time soon," said Alex Tang, head of research at brokerage Core Pacific-Yamaichi in Hong Kong. "Apart from a credit crunch in Europe, investors are quite concerned about the worsening outlook on the U.S. economy."

"We haven't seen any positive developments in Europe or the U.S., apart from the rescue plan," Tang said. "But even with the rescue plan, investors are focused on the slowing economy."

Concerns about fallout from the crisis overshadowed any investor optimism over the U.S. House of Representatives' approval Friday of a massive bailout plan that will allow the U.S. government to buy distressed mortgages and securities backed by mortgages from banks and other financial institutions.

U.S. stock index futures were more than a percent lower, suggesting Wall Street was in for another slide when trading opened Monday morning. On Friday, the Dow Jones industrial average fell 157.47, or 1.5 percent, to 10,325.38.

In currencies, the dollar rose against the euro, which slid to $1.3618 from $1.3774 late Friday, but declined to 103.11 yen from 105.30 yen Friday.

Oil prices tumbled on speculation that slower global growth will cut crude demand. Light, sweet crude for November delivery was down $1.85 to $92.03 a barrel in Asian electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

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To: Dale Baker who wrote (66192)10/6/2008 5:07:27 AM
From: anializer of 114475
 
Speaking of large caps, below is a comparative valuation analysis of the Dow 30. 6 years, almost no movenment in total market cap. On a valuation basis, the DOW is alot cheaper than it was in 2002. I think if we get a good rally at some point, I'd likely try to play it via DXD. The market has a little history of poor October starts that finish up with promise, and November elections have often given us playable rallies, no matter who wins. We'll see if it holds true this year, or if financial conditions are just to bad.




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To: Lynn who wrote (66215)10/6/2008 6:35:37 AM
From: Condor of 114475
 
Citigroup, Wells May Carve Up Wachovia in Compromise, WSJ Says

By David Mildenberg and Patricia Hurtado

Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc. and Wells Fargo & Co., prodded by U.S. regulators, may divide up Wachovia Corp. to end a takeover battle that's disrupting a federal rescue of the ailing North Carolina bank, the Wall Street Journal reported.

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (66208)10/6/2008 8:11:08 AM
From: Dale Baker of 114475
 
The portfolio performance is always figured from the total portfolio value, stocks and cash. I rarely take out funds (last fall was a fortunate exception) so the measure is pretty consistent.

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From: Man on the moon10/6/2008 8:16:34 AM
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Trading suspended on Russian bourse as stocks plunge

Trading suspended on Russian bourse as stocks plunge

Trading was suspended on Russia's leading stock exchange Monday after shares plunged by more than 15 percent amid falling oil prices and fears over the global economy.


Trading was halted on MICEX at 1:35 p.m. (0935 GMT) for one hour. Shares fell by 15.4 percent to 781.8 points. The benchmark RTS index fell by 13.9 percent to 921.7 points, but continued to trade.

Mining firm Norilsk Nickel fell by 25 percent on MICEX, state-backed lender Sberbank by 16 percent and state-controlled oil major Rosneft by 17.4 percent.

In September, growing financial turmoil in the United States and tumbling oil prices sent the Russian stock markets into their biggest downward spiral since 1998. The MICEX lost 25 percent in just three days. Regulators have shut down the markets on several occasions in an effort to stem the decline, often to positive effect.

The RTS is now down 62 percent from its May peak.


hurriyet.com.tr 

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To: Condor who wrote (66220)10/6/2008 8:17:47 AM
From: Lynn of 114475
 
Bloomsberg's article must be referring to the only I posted last night, because I cannot find an updated article over at the WSJ.

A read of the way WB was slammed against the wall with the original C 'agreement' not made until around 5 a.m. the morning it was announced, I did wonder if all sides (WB, WFC, C, Feds) working all night with something new announced this morning.

One question I have had is: Putting aside WFC for the moment, don't WB and C shareholders have to vote to accept the offer?

If the Feds side with C, they sure are being shareholder unfriendly. There are massive numbers of individuals, many retired, who depended on WBs dividends, now gone. The WFC offer, although still a low-ball according to one of the WSJ articles I read, would at least give some value to WB shares and give people a dividend (although much less than before) once they got shares of WFC

This whole story has the makes of a movie.

Lynn

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