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To: KaiserSosze who wrote (107778)5/10/2012 11:59:50 AM
From: Micawber of 114422
 
Unfortunately for us, the shorts called it perfectly.

Will be interesting to see what happens from here.

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To: Micawber who wrote (107788)5/10/2012 12:12:20 PM
From: Sam of 114422
 
What would it cost to pull the stock offering and not go through with the Baytex deal? Is that even possible at this point? The deal was announced on March 22; the stock was trading at about $7.20 at the time. It has been a pretty steady fall ever since.

On the other hand, the stock tumbled into the 2s last summer/fall, and rebounded nicely afterwards. This drop could easily be as idiotic as that one was.

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To: Sam who wrote (107789)5/10/2012 12:44:02 PM
From: KaiserSosze of 114422
 
Given that Gary just finished the road-show to sell this thing, I'd guess it's highly unlikely that he pulls it last minute, fwiw.

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From: KaiserSosze5/10/2012 12:58:14 PM
of 114422
 
Picked up some KOG. I like their potential over the next 12 months!

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To: KaiserSosze who wrote (107791)5/10/2012 1:04:07 PM
From: Jane4IceCream of 114422
 
I have alittle bit of KOG in my IRA basket...

My END is coming back some and I also added to SD below $7 yest for the long term as well as alittle bit more MHR this morning under $5 for the long term.

Added some UPL under $20 day before yesterday....great play if you think ng will come back some.

Best of luck to all....

Jane

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To: KaiserSosze who wrote (107790)5/10/2012 1:47:03 PM
From: Sam of 114422
 
Well, FWIW, I just bought some more MHR. And put in an "indication of interest" to buy some at the offering.

Wish me luck, I hope I'm happy about this in another month or so.

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To: Sam who wrote (107793)5/10/2012 1:49:47 PM
From: KaiserSosze of 114422
 
If you've got a long term horizon, you should be fine. Close your eyes for the next few months! :-) I was just looking at their chart. From ~ $6.50 to $4.85 in less than two weeks. Yikes!!

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To: Sam who wrote (107793)5/10/2012 1:52:56 PM
From: Micawber of 114422
 
Not very crowded at the "buy" window today.

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From: littlechuter5/10/2012 2:12:46 PM
of 114422
 
MHR Evans has misread the market again. The downward draft is from people who believe it will be at least two quarters before the stock will have positive news. i am a holder of over 60,000 shares. i am not happy with the situation but will ride it out. Hopefully someone will offer 8 or 9 for the whole company and Gary and his gang will sell similar to what happened with GEOI. We shall see. Not looking good for the next couple of months.

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From: Paul Smith5/10/2012 2:21:39 PM
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Fed Worries 'Fiscal Cliff' Is as Big a Threat as Europe

Federal Reserve officials are increasingly concerned about the coming “fiscal cliff,” putting it on par with the European financial crisis and the housing market as among the biggest potential threats for the U.S. economy.


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And there appears to be a debate about what the Fed could or should do to counter the negative effects of the coming decline in federal spending and tax hikes.

At the heart of that debate is frustration within the central bank that Congress and the administration are relying too heavily on monetary policy to kick start the economy and keep the recovery going.

Chicago Fed President Charles Evans, in remarks last week, noted that fiscal stimulus is already wearing off.

“The cliff at the end of this year is just that writ large. Whether or not calmer heads will prevail and avoid this or do something useful, you know that's about as big an uncertainty as I can imagine anybody facing,” Evans said at the Milken Conference.

The August debt ceiling debacle is fresh in the Fed’s mind, with Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke several times saying that threat of a default by the U.S. government created entirely avoidable market fears and economic weakness.

That’s why Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart, also at last week’s Milken conference, refused to label the fiscal cliff “an economic shock.” Instead, he called it “perfectly predictable” and threw the onus for solving it on the fiscal authorities.

“Congress and the administration understand that the perception is growing that if a transition isn't engineered that works well, that you're going to end up with a lot of mojo taken out of the economy in a very brief period of time,” he said.

Lockhart wouldn't rule out using Fed policy to counteract the effects of a decline in government spending, but it clearly wasn’t his first choice. Evans, among the leading voices on the Fed for more stimulus, said it was another reason the Fed should ease.

But Fed Chairman Bernanke warned at his press conference two weeks ago that the size of the fiscal cliff is so large that “I think (there’s) absolutely no chance that the Federal Reserve could or would have any ability whatsoever to offset that effect on the economy. So as I have said many times before, it’s imperative for Congress to give us a fiscal policy.”

Even if the Fed could partially offset the weakness, there seems to be little appetite by some members of the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee to do so. Richmond Fed President Jeff Lacker, one of the Fed’s hawks, is actually in agreement with Bernanke that too much reliance has been placed on Fed policy to stimulate the economy.

Last week he noted, “The impediments to growth that I have discussed today are all quite real. That is, they are factors for which monetary policy is not the remedy. Monetary policy will not occupy vacant homes or give unemployed workers the skills to fill vacant jobs or reduce regulatory and fiscal uncertainty.”

Bernanke is in a complicated negotiating position relative to Congress. On the one hand, he is not as extreme as Lacker in ruling out further quantitative easing . In fact, he’s been pretty clear that the Fed would act if the economy weakens. On the other hand, what if that weakness comes from fiscal policy? Assuring markets that the Fed would act could also take the heat off of Congress to deal with the fiscal situation.

The “fiscal cliff” is shorthand for a series of stimulus programs and tax cuts that will expire toward the end of the year. It includes the planned wind down of extended unemployment benefits, the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and payroll tax cuts and the beginning of sequestration — the automatic spending cuts that take effect as a result of last year’s 11th hour budget deal. In total, it could mean up to a $500 billion hit to the economy.

Wall Street economists are divided over how real the threat is. Some believe politicians will work out a deal to keep federal spending from falling over a cliff as they have in the past; others worry the decline in spending could undermine confidence and cause the private sector to pullback as it did in August.

There are splits as well along political lines with one side arguing that the government needs to start someplace to reduce its trillion-dollar annual deficits and shouldn’t keep putting off the day of deficit reckoning. This group also argues that a large part of economic weakness stems from uncertainty over how and when the deficit will be reduced and from government spending crowding out the private sector.

From the other side, liberal economists contend that the initial stimulus spending by the government was never sufficient to kick start the economy and that the government can and should keep running high deficits to prop up the economy until the private sector takes the reins.

The Fed and Bernanke have waded only gently into that argument, urging Congress to put in place a long-term deficit reduction plan, but be careful not to hobble the economy with Draconian near-term cuts. Bernanke, however, has not been shy about letting his frustration be known over what happened in August.

But there’s only so far that the Fed will go publicly. It even drew criticism when it involved itself in the housing debate. Some politicians saw a paper the Fed published with a series of actions the government could take to fix housing as inappropriate meddling in fiscal affairs.

It’s not hard to imagine that the Fed would likely be concerned over temporary fixes that pushed the can down the road, avoiding the immediate threat but adding to uncertainty.

cnbc.com 

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