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To: loantech who wrote (35477)5/16/2012 10:47:22 PM
From: benwood4 Recommendations   of 43947
 
I might buy into some lousy junior miner run by a bare-faced, double-shuffle, two-bit thimblerigger, but never JP Morgan. I have my standards to uphold.

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To: F.W.Inglis who wrote (35476)5/16/2012 10:47:45 PM
From: Eva6 Recommendations   of 43947
 
I love your charts and your ethusiasm, you are a fresh air in this getting stale forum. I spent a delightful afternoon with my daughter and grandchild, away from the markets, away from gloom and doom in the precious metal markets, ( left the deer in the headlight feeling behind), I believe this is just temporary, we had a terrific run in the PM's since 2001, with some stops in between but over all got spoiled rotten, now , there is a pause - re ajustment- I know why I got in it in the first place, the financial and political situation in the world only got worse. The Democrats need the $ up and gold down, call it saving face - manipulation, it is a form of crowd control, they need and want the $ higher and gold lower, so we wait for the election, and this theatrical power crabbing ( grapping) to pass.
one of my ground rules in trading was, to keep a 6 month to a year cash position, to wait out political follies as well as technicalities

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To: rubbersoul who wrote (35478)5/16/2012 10:51:38 PM
From: Eva   of 43947
 
< Was this a calculated take down?>

Hmm, funny you asked :-)

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To: benwood who wrote (35479)5/16/2012 10:56:51 PM
From: loantech   of 43947
 
LOL.

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To: Eva who wrote (35481)5/16/2012 11:06:05 PM
From: rubbersoul1 Recommendation   of 43947
 
What do you think of this? Hmmmm...

NewsroomMarket Alert
RE: Recent Market EventsMay 16, 2012Retail Dealers:

Over the past several years we have watched as the Metals Markets have been manipulated through the over concentration of Short Selling by a group of trading companies and Banks. Evidence amassed over these years shows that this group has been acting together in a concerted effort to suppress prices, an effort that appears to have been spearheaded by J.P. Morgan. Although this Activity is Against the Law, and would normally subject the perpetrators to Criminal Prosecution, this has all been done with the apparent blessing of the CFTC, as shown by their unwillingness to put a stop to it when presented with the evidence (including a detailed account of a manipulation event, both before and while that event was occurring). IT LOOKS AS IF ALL OF THAT IS ABOUT TO COME TO AN END!!!!

The writing is on the wall, and the latest Commitment of Traders Reports (COT), as of last Friday, tells it all. J.P. Morgan has been caught in the London Credit Default Swaps Market doing the exact same thing they have been doing in the Metals Markets. J.P. Morgan is now under serious regulatory examination by both the United States and British Authorities for these illegal activities which, according to Friday’s comments by Mr. Jamie Dimon, have already caused a trading loss of potentially $3 Billion, which is most likely just the tip of their iceberg. Two class action lawsuits have already been filed in New York in relation to the soured deal. The CFTC must surely come to the decision shortly, that they can no longer afford to sit idle, now that other governments and investors are taking action against J.P. Morgan. Of the $29 Billion of tax payer money, given to J.P. Morgan by the Federal Government in the Bear Sterns Takeover Deal, they have just thrown away $3 Billion Plus, Plus, Plus.

What we are witnessing now, as evidenced by Friday’s COT Report, is that J.P. Morgan and their co-conspirators appear to be aggressively exiting their illegal Market Manipulation Short Sell Positions in the Metals Market, and will likely never again be found to be in that position. What does this mean for all of us Long Term Precious Metals Owners? We have weathered the storm. Our rewards are just around the corner as the exodus of J.P. Morgan and their coconspirators from our Markets will bring us into an era of truly Free Markets, where prices are based on fundamentals, NOT SYNTHETIC PAPER MARKETS CONTROLLED BY A SELECT FEW, and WOW!!! The Fundamentals for our Precious Metals Products couldn’t be better.

So Ladies and Gentlemen, expect resurgence of true pricing and in a direction upwards over the next decade that should make the past decade appear to be minute. For those who did not follow our counsel of “Long Term Buy and Hold” and bailed out—We are sorry you chose not to “Stay the Course”, but come back if you can. For those who have hung in throughout this madness— Congratulations!!! You should soon reap the Rewards! For those who are thinking about adding to your Portfolio or starting your portfolio, it would appear that— NOW IS THE TIME, NOW IS THE TIME, NOW IS THE TIME!!!!!!

Trading Department – Precious Metals International, Ltd.

This is not a solicitation to purchase or sell.

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To: rubbersoul who wrote (35483)5/16/2012 11:28:21 PM
From: Eva2 Recommendations   of 43947
 
WELL, HELLO how often have we heard about the shorting etc of J.P Morgan? Turd Ferguson, Zero Hedge, Trader Dan, St. Thompson etc etc wrote about it, but there has not been a follow up, or God forbid a public hearing and or prosecution, what, who puts them, Goldman Sachs et all, above the law, WHO GIVES THEM THIS POWER ???

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To: rubbersoul who wrote (35483)5/16/2012 11:48:59 PM
From: F.W.Inglis   of 43947
 
I found the link to that "NewsroomMarket Alert" article.

pmilimited.com 

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Sentiment: Interesting-Article.

AND

To-Me/IMO, Miner-Price-Performance relating to their underlying Product/Commodity-Price-Performance do seem ... Greatly?-Disconnected from one another ???

AND

I've noticed a couple of (Small-to-Medium)-Miners with their Share-Price less than HALF? their Yahoo-Noted Book-Value too ... (and/or How-n-Hades? does THAT happen ???).

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From: John McCarthy5/17/2012 12:28:03 AM
2 Recommendations   of 43947
 
Brodsky and Quaintance: Central banks aim to redistribute gold and push it way up

By: Chris Powell
Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

In their May letter, Paul Brodsky and Lee Quaintance of QB Asset Management in New York argue that the investment case for gold is to a great extent a matter of its likely official revaluation upward to support confidence-based currencies that have lost the market's confidence.

As improbable as it may seem lately, what with the constant suppression of gold and silver prices on the futures markets, Brodsky and Quaintance conclude that central banks now really mean to push the gold price up -- way up -- once the gold necessary for the plan has been obtained and redistributed among central banks. Brodsky and Quaintance write:

"The key to a successful transition is a credible monetary reset. Gold is the default collateral for money because it has a long and established precedent in this role. All that would be needed would be a fairly equitable distribution of gold among global monetary authorities (taking place now?), and an agreed-upon exchange rate vis-a-vis baseless paper. It would have to be an exchange rate at which central banks could successfully monetize assets by tendering for physical gold with newly manufactured paper money, an exchange rate high enough to attract enough gold to cover unreserved credit held in the banking system. It's a high figure.

"The relative cost of holding physical gold today is minimal, (above-ground bullion or in-ground bullion through mining shares), against the negative real returns offered by the preponderance of financial assets in float. We suggest one keep identities straight; invest with central banks, not against them; and consider the hollow rhetoric of the establishment that may temporarily suppress its paper price a 'gift.' They are working for physical gold holders, not against them."

Brodsky and Quaintance have kindly allowed GATA to post their letter here:

http://www.gata.org/files/QBAMCO-May2012.pdf

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer

news.goldseek.com 




Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

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To: Eva who wrote (35484)5/17/2012 12:43:49 AM
From: Webster Groves5 Recommendations   of 43947
 
<WHO GIVES THEM THIS POWER>

Power is never given.

It is assumed by the bold,
and acquiesced by the weak.

wg

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To: benwood who wrote (35473)5/17/2012 2:20:21 AM
From: gold$10k2 Recommendations   of 43947
 
IMO the only question is whether gold $1523 holds. Today it held and even though gold was slightly lower, GDX was slightly higher. Also extremely oversold with RSI < 21. So I will believe until there is a reason not to believe, but no big bets.


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