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To: Tom Trader who wrote (31134)12/12/1997 10:56:00 PM
From: dennis michael patterson   of 58727
 
Tom: I am interested in what stocks you'd buy calls on. I see the Dow coming back but the NASDAQ going further down. Thoughts appreciated.

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To: HoodBuilder who wrote (31145)12/12/1997 11:19:00 PM
From: Patrick Slevin   of 58727
 
Well, I got AMAT at 20 so I'm biased.


But in a calendar spread like you have you have exposure you are ignoring.

It's not a bad idea, but suppose Jan comes and goes and the stock you bought is below 25---or say it's at 25, no difference.

You are out a dollar and a half on the stock...the puts are worthless ...the calls still have value and you theoretically should cover before you unload the stock. Your presumption is, you are making 0.875 net on the sale of the call. Meanwhile, you have 6 months of exposure --- or --cover the short call.

Do you think...in January...the variance between what you paid for the stock....what you made on the put ... and covering the short calls...is worth 0.875?

Maybe it will be, maybe it won't. Frankly, I do/have done the same thing with GE and have done it with XON and again and again. Often it does work....often it does not. There is a lot of 'sweat equity' in this kind of trade that will become apparent to you if you put this on.

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To: The Perfect Hedge who wrote (31078)12/13/1997 8:38:00 AM
From: donald sew   of 58727
 
INDEX UPDATE
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Here are the CLASS 1 BUYS with buy-in days of either this past Friday or this coming MONDAY. The CLASS 2's are for Monday's buy-in
CLASS 1 (short-term= 1-5 days)
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OSX
XOI
SOX
MSH
NDX
XCI
IIX
DDX
RUT
EGI

CLASS 2
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BTK
SPX
OEX
XMI

The indication that a reversal will happen this week, and as early as Monday are extremely strong. If it does not happen Monday then Tuesday. I am not saying that it will be a strong reversal, but that there will be a reversal and how long it will last I do not have any indication yet.

Now the question is which indexes will perform the best. Of the CLASS 1 INDEXES listed above, I am showing more relative strength in the IIX, XCI. The broader base HiTech indexes such as the NDX & MSH should also do fine. The weakest indexes of the above CLASS 1's are the DDX and SOX. The SOX has already gone below those levels in the spring, when the DOW was at 6400.

My strongest position is now in the OILS and OSX. On Thursday the OILS indicated that they were one of the strongest indexes, but on Friday it became one of the weakest of the Non-HiTech indexes, and only slightly stronger than the HiTech indexes. The OSX also showed the same weakness.

There are strong indexes still, such as the XBD, XAL, BKX, DRG but they were not CLASS 1's or CLASS 2's.

As I indicate last week, I have noticed one technical signal that the overall market is topping out, which still needs confirmation, and that was when the SOX and DDX set lows which were lower than the previous lows. Well, it is obvious that such signals have intensified with Thursday's and Friday's performance of the HiTechers. Most of the HiTech indexes are already near the lows of BLACK MONDAY in October, and some have surpassed it.

On a more subjective note - I wonder if there was a large volume of puts with Dec's expiration. If there is, I would have to presume that the MM's would want them not to be profitable and expire worthless. I would have to believe that the majority of the HiTech calls will expire worthless. In light of such I would feel that the MM's would do what they can to not pay the huge profits of those who are holding PUTs especially in the HiTech sectors; therefore there may be a chance for a short squeeze that may help pop this market up.

In light of the HiTechs setting lower lows and receiving a substantial signal that the overall market is topping out, I believe that there are 2 possibilities: 1) ANOTHER CORRECTION or 2) RANGE TRADING
Therefore for this interim starting now I will be more nimble and start playing puts when the technicals get overbought, but still play calls when the technicals get oversold. In the past I stated that I have a basic rule that I do not short in an uptrend, especially with PUTS. Now I will, since the technicals indicate that the uptrend in the overall market is at jeapody.

I still have the XOI's and 25% of my original position of the OSX. I am holding onto the OSX still only because my cost basis is now negative $7 on the JAN 100's. In other words if the JAN 100's expire worthless, I still made $7 per call. I have reduced my target for the OSX from the 130-135 range to the 125-128 range by Jan expiration. As for the XOI's, I originally felt that the XOI's could easily get back to the 480+ territory, but have now reduced my target to 470 by Jan expiration

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To: donald sew who wrote (31148)12/13/1997 10:36:00 AM
From: Eddie D. Gilbert   of 58727
 
Can anybody! tell me when this Hi tech sell off will end?

Eddie

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To: Eddie D. Gilbert who wrote (31149)12/13/1997 10:43:00 AM
From: HoodBuilder   of 58727
 
Eddie, can you tell me the 6 winning numbers for tonights Pennsylvania Lottery? This information is more valuable than what I just gave you.
Thank you for a speedy reply as the drawing is 7:00p.m. EST.

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To: HoodBuilder who wrote (31150)12/13/1997 10:51:00 AM
From: Willy   of 58727
 
All: Anyone have a web page to get option quotes. I used to use Pacific Brokerage and now they require a password. Maybe someone can give up a password and logon. Thanks

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To: Willy who wrote (31151)12/13/1997 11:02:00 AM
From: Darth Trader   of 58727
 
Yea, don't they know that everything on the Web needs to be free! You can still get in by "going through the back door, go to: dailystocks.com  enter the stock and go to "option quotes tables". This is for DBS quotes, though.

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To: Willy who wrote (31151)12/13/1997 11:20:00 AM
From: HoodBuilder   of 58727
 
cboe.pcquote.com 

Try this, it's the CBOE page

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To: Roman who wrote (31143)12/13/1997 1:20:00 PM
From: Tom Trader   of 58727
 
Hi Roman--I am at a slight disadvantage given that the prices that you have quoted are presumably in Canadian dollars.

I will confine myself to a generic response based on a review of the NN chart in US dollars--an opinion that is not based on the fundamentals of NN or the sector.

NN is experiencing a strong down-draft -- a chart that shows almost a free-fall, not unlike other tech charts. It is at support of sorts -- but I fully expect that it will head lower because of the magnitude of the downward momentum. If you have followed my posts, you would know that I do place weight on momentum in relation to trading decisions. Basically something that comes down hard will go down further after a bounce and vice versa on the upside. The 27-28 level may be seen before it stabilizes and the 30 level is almost a given.

As far as your position is concerned--if it is a trading position --whether the stock or the options-- then you would want to close it out on any bounce to the 37 level which should see heavy selling/shorting occur. If you don't want to close out your position you may want to buy some protective puts at that level. If you are a long-term investor then you would either look to ride it out or buy some puts to protect your investment -- at least three months out and sell some covered calls to recover premium both as income and to pay for the puts that you buy.

Hope this helps--and please recognize that I may be completely wrong.

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To: dennis michael patterson who wrote (31146)12/13/1997 1:32:00 PM
From: Tom Trader   of 58727
 
>>Tom: I am interested in what stocks you'd buy calls on. I see the Dow coming back but the NASDAQ going further down<<

Dennis--I would not buy calls on any stocks at this juncture unless you are a very nimble trader and if you do buy calls I would go out at least 3-6 months--so that you have enough time for things to work out.

As far as individual stocks are concerned, I will post to Nancy on this subject over the weekend either on this thread or the "ideas" thread. But please be aware that I will be listing stocks that I am looking at as "investments" and not as trading vehicles.

I am not as despondent about the market as almost everyone else seems to be as I peruse various threads--even the bullish threads have turned bearish or cautious -- but I am enough of a realist to recognize that we are in a sharp down-trend and so my horizon has to be far enough out and I need to be sure that I am protected on the downside. I am confident that using proper entry and appropriate protection, positions that I establish will pay off in spades within a year or two. But I do have this contrarian streak -- and my timing is sometimes off--which does not matter if one has the right time horizon when one establishes positions.

Good trading

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