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To: J. Nelson who wrote (2495)2/1/1998 9:13:00 AM
From: steve goldman   of 4969
 
J,

Thanks for the post. While I definately have stocks that I recommend/suggest/avoid etc. , we do not provide that type of advice on this thread. We try to keep the thread void of specific stocks except for example of market moves/oddities.

Good luck! Perhaps do a search on SI for utilities, etc.

Anyone notice that Bell Atlantic in NJ now charges $.35 for phone calls instead of $.25. I would guess that 1/2 of the users of thepay phones would be putting in 50 cents since most people don't have 35. I know I am always calling the wife as I am leaving the gym and never seem to have a dime. Seems to be a windfall. Like selling something for 13.50 and not giving change....you ll get 15 every time.

Regards,
Steve@yamner.com

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To: Mike Schoonmaker who wrote (2497)2/1/1998 9:17:00 AM
From: steve goldman   of 4969
 
Schoonie,

You know my position. When you are dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars of stock, nothing could be more important than a quality execution. My position, and probably will always be, that a firm such as ours will outperform ANY online firm, hands down, for about $20, $25 more per trade. For a trader doing 15 trades a day (if such an online trader does exist), yes the 20 is a lot. But if you can get the order handled properly, the more than occassional price improvment, guidance, order protection, its well worth it.

As far as stop orders go, I am surprised datek doesnt goes off prints. It seems like a pretty simple change in their computer systems. Also, when you order becomes active, do they simply offer it up to ISLD or will the system go onto the nasdaq circuit and SNET it to whoever is bidding.

Regards,
Steve@yamner.com

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To: steve goldman who wrote (2500)2/1/1998 10:25:00 AM
From: J. Nelson   of 4969
 
Steve:

After a week long hunt for information on the Electric Deregulation Ind. I found
nothing! So I asked your opinion and if you did have any information on IPO's or
stocks in this new opportunity. Sorry for the post asking for help in the way I did
yet how is one to find out unless they try? I will not try on your board again!

In the past we saw the Billion's change hands in the 80's from Telephone Dereg.

We saw the Trucking ind. Dereg ground floor take the big ones down to little firms
who made Billions in the 90's.

F.Y.I. I just think that Electric Utility Dereg. is going to take year 2000 over as the
next wave of new opportunity.

Your pay phone note is a good one and to top that try your visa card in a phone and call
across the country on it for say 10 min and see what your paying! Some pay phones are
charging very high and I say high $$$ per min for that call. If you do not look at your
statment the call is never seen in cost per min. There now is a force comming to request
the pay phone to tell you of the charge per min pre your saying yes let the call go out
at $9.50 per min! These private firms have made (or riped) Millions of $ out of a good
business. They are about to see a new rule over the pay phone industry.

Sorry to ask for help on the new Deregulation effective 1-1-98 that no one wants to
talk about.

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To: steve goldman who wrote (2498)2/1/1998 10:57:00 AM
From: Dominick   of 4969
 
Steve:

Could you explain to me the logic of the NASD's rule of short selling on the uptick of the BID price, ( in which there is NO transaction), as opposed the last sale which is an ACTUAL transaction.

Thanks,

Dominick

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To: steve goldman who wrote (2498)2/1/1998 1:33:00 PM
From: Susan Saline   of 4969
 
Steve

re: "print"

very clear explanation, thank you very much

Sue

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To: steve goldman who wrote (2499)2/1/1998 2:00:00 PM
From: xstuckey   of 4969
 
To: steve goldman (2738 )
From: xstuckey
Sunday, Feb 1 1998 1:41PM EST
Reply # of 2743

"similar to Xstuckey's shorting the INTC he has at lower levelss....At very worst, he has the long stock to cover his short."

Hi Steve,

This is an inaccurate statement. When I go short I short twice as many shares as I hold long. While 1/2 of the position is a short against the box, the other half is a short as naked as it gets.

This has a net effect of taking my entire position from long to short, with the same net number of shares being held short as were originally held long.

Just wanted to be clear on this.

Best Trading, X

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To: steve goldman who wrote (2501)2/1/1998 7:52:00 PM
From: Street Walker   of 4969
 
Level II..................................new thread

If interested in winning the war against the MM's,
come lurk and share your experiences using Level 2,
and experiences with specific Market Makers.

Do an SI search for: Level II Trading

S.W.

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To: m-top who wrote (2494)2/1/1998 11:37:00 PM
From: Ira Player   of 4969
 
There have been reports (I don't remember where I read it) of small caps with large inside holdings pulling the following:

1. Insiders place shares in Margin accounts at various brokerages.

2. Stock price appreciates, short sellers start to hit it.

3. Insiders change the account to cash. All 'borrowed' securities must be replaced within 3 days.

4. Upside pressure results from short covering.

While there are only a limited number of securities where this could happen, it is possible.

Enjoy the ride,

Ira

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To: steve goldman who wrote (2501)2/2/1998 8:27:00 AM
From: Mike Schoonmaker   of 4969
 
Steve,

I concur that executions are paramount in the success of short term/daytraders. However, for a position trader, 1/8 or so typically does NOT matter, any more than the 35-55 your firm charges for commissions.

As far as outperforming ANY online firm, I would take issue with that if you are including online SOES shops (Watley, MB, etc). I fail to see how you could improve. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

Finally, Datek DOES make the order active re:stop loss order when the BID falls to the stop price, not a print! They then offer it out on ISLD, not SNET or NAZ mm, as far as I know. I can always see my specific orders out on the island book.

Schoonie

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To: Mike Schoonmaker who wrote (2508)2/2/1998 9:50:00 AM
From: steve goldman   of 4969
 
Schoonie,

My personal approach to any investment, be it buying a house, car, position stock, long term investment or a day trade is to save and keep every possible dollar in my pocket.

Whether it be for a long term investment or a day trade, an 1/8 or 1/4 on 1000 shares is good money, regardless of your time frame.

As for outperfoming online firms, we could spend days talking about this and it would my pleasure to entertain this if you wish.

The best way to explain this would be to BEGIN with looking at the document on our Yamner Library called Quality Executions...http://www.yamner.com. As well, there are several other documents up there regarding execution systems and how our firms works your order.

As for SOES shops, etc., yes I am including those in the following manner, least plausible to most:
1. These firms still face flaws in internet technology. While it does not happen regularly, problematic volume such as on the day after our 550 plunge, can cost traders thousands of dollars...we have all heard thehorry story. (please don't take this as me being prudish about internet technology, we are not. We just simply know its limitations and thus are hesitant to become too reliant (and these soes online firms are 100%) on it

2. These firms will not work your order on selectnet, having soes prepared and ready to go, cancel your order and in the same motion instantaneously execute a soes trade. They also don't let you go to phone based systems and some dont let your preference mm's on snet, rather some only let you broadcast snet orders. Some I have heard only let preferential snet and not broadcast.

My point is that they all have their place in adding up to a quality execution and price improvement.

3. Many of these firms do not offer listed trading, access to superdot, bulletin boards, options, futures, commoditites, which, while they might not be in the roundhouse of most traders who are used to otc trading, they are areas that should not be overlooked.
And if you are exclusively at a firm that offers SOES and nothing more, you can't not overlook it because it is not offered.

4. As well, there is such a thing as experience and exposure to markets andmarket action. While many online investors are experienced and have and understanding of the marketplace, speaking to a trader who deals withhundreds of stocks and trades each day, asking for suggestions, ideas for the day, strategies for getting abetter price, etc. is usually beneficial.

I do not have any desire to turn this thread into a "our firm is better than theirs because"....because we all know that our firm is suited to a particular client base and does a great job there and that online firms suite clients with other needs/objectives, etc. Yet from a performance standpoint, I still standby my confidence with our firm's execution quality.

(lightheartedly) For those who have been following this thread and my posting comments elsewhere, you know that I always tell it like it is. I have spent much time with various technologies, demoing and testing other's offerings. My comments are based upon my experience (intimate) with our firm and how well WE perform, and my LIMITED exposure to every else. Yet, they are my feelings. I am not trying to sleight anyone, yet these are my opinions.

Regards,
Steve@yamner.com

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