Technology Stocks | 2000 Date-Change Problem: Scam, Hype, Hoax, Fraud


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To: Bill Wexler who wrote ()7/28/1998 2:24:00 AM
From: Bill Wexler   of 1361
 
The Y2K hoax continues to disappoint doomsday investors.

After countless thousands of posts with dire predictions of massive Y2K problems and equally massive profits for Y2K consulting and remediation firms, it turns out that (as I correctly predicted) the whole Y2K issue was (and continues to be) overblown hype, and the most intelligent thing an investor could have done over the past year was to short just about any Y2K company.

A quick check of my suggested Y2K short portfolio (ACLY, DDIM, IMRS, VIAS, ZITL) will confirm that all of these stocks have suffered massive declines - all except IMRS, which is up about 35% from my rec. date (5/31/97). IMRS, interestingly, abandoned its focus on Y2K some time ago. ZITL has proven itself to be a complete fraud, though Y2K cultists and crooked stock promoters shamelessly continue to hype this garbage stock.

I was, am, and will continue to be 100% correct about the Y2K hoax.

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To: Bill Wexler who wrote (797)7/28/1998 12:01:00 PM
From: ScatterShot   of 1361
 
Bill, I follow most of the Y2K threads here just to be informed & maybe (remotely) make some sense of it all. I am quite aware of your position on the issue and want to know what you think of the likelihood of it starting to be a self fulfilling prophecy: enough people concerned that they cause shortages in food, gas, supplies prior to 1/1/00. ref the following post:

Message 5325823

"Food for thought: The real problem will be realized long before the calendar flips to 2000. People reacting to all of the potential Y2K scenarios will create most of the initial problems."

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To: Bill Wexler who wrote (797)7/28/1998 6:41:00 PM
From: Scarecrow   of 1361
 
Dear Mr. Wexler, Much as I try to find the facts to support your position, I have been unsuccessful. I, too, like to think that 2000 is a all a hoax. Are all the scientists at the Federation of American Scientists clueless, crooked, evil, uninformed, stupid, mentally retarded or what?
fas.org 
Salome

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To: Bill Wexler who wrote ()7/29/1998 11:32:00 AM
From: Schultz   of 1361
 
I have spoken to programmers working at several large banks and to pretend the year 2000 problem is a hoax is laughable. These programmers are under impossible deadliens and are scared silly. I'm not saying the end of civilization, but a recession is likely.

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To: Schultz who wrote (800)7/30/1998 11:27:00 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell   of 1361
 
According to the publication "AKO Banking on Insurance":

To date, the FDIC has issued 105 warnings and three cease-and- desist orders to banks that were slow to update their own systems for the millennium".

I've also seen it published that 38% of programmers say they will take their money out of banks before 2000. Now that's scary.

Of course Bill will just say this is all nonsense. And why not. Words are cheap.

The ironic thing is, the more Y2K stocks go down because of lack of demand -- as people like Bill hope -- the bigger the potential problem will be down the road as companies finally throw in the towel and ask for help. Right now no CIO would dare risk his job admitting his staff can't handle the problem.

- Jeff

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To: Bill Wexler who wrote ()7/30/1998 2:04:00 PM
From: coco   of 1361
 
I am also skeptical, but need reassurance. Perhaps you could respond to 2 questions for me:

1)Why are companies like Citicorp, Chase Manhattan, The Southern Company, International Paper, Provident... forking out millions and millions of dollars to address a hoax?

2)Why are prominent technical societies like IEE (Institute of Electrical Engineers) taking such an urgent stand on Y2k issues? (See their website.)

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To: Bill Wexler who wrote (797)8/7/1998 11:17:00 PM
From: David Eddy   of 1361
 
Bill -

The Y2K hoax continues to disappoint doomsday investors.

I'll grant you that there's been considerable room to slip some less than entirely savory 'investments' onto the table while flying the Y2K label...

However, I'm still unclear as to whether or not you separate the reality (or not) of the Y2K problem from the Y2K stock story.

This inquiring mind would love to know.

As always, my position is that we have a major problem on our hands for the fundamental reason that when counting with two digit numbers, there is no number after 99. Period. Full STOP! And then factor in the reality that software projects have an abysmal track record for being delivered on time and with promised/expected functionality. (I won't even stoop to consider budget expectations.)

Back to you... <g>

- David

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To: David Eddy who wrote (803)8/10/1998 5:43:00 AM
From: Bill Wexler   of 1361
 
Ahhh...one of the rare skeptical articles on Y2K:

abcnews.com 

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To: Bill Wexler who wrote (804)8/10/1998 9:21:00 AM
From: Scarecrow   of 1361
 
Wow! A complete explanation of y2k phenomenon based on purely scientific facts.

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To: Scarecrow who wrote (805)8/10/1998 10:50:00 AM
From: jwk   of 1361
 
Scarecrow -- score one for the lunatic fringe! They've apparently saved our bacon. Since they've taken Y2K concerns out to -- and over -- the edge, all the other stuff (like the findings of the Bennette/Dodd Senate Committee hearings,etc.) don't matter.

As long as loonies are running wth the idea, it can't hurt us! Cool.

Also, if you've seen the MSNBC article on the current status of European Y2K concerns, you'll see that they only expect 1 in 6 companies to have difficulties. That's over 83% of companies which won't.

Now then, if any of the healthy majority depend on the 16% of the rotten apples ....... oh yeah, I almost forgot -- see above, the loonies have taken Y2K concerns over the edge so we don't need to worry about it.

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