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To: Michael Hart who wrote (45921)4/16/2004 5:23:39 PM
From: Raymond Duray   of 50161
 
Shall I count that as a NO vote? <g>

Clearly, the Pentagon wants a dishonest government.
Clearly, Ahmed Chalabi wants a dishonest government.
Clearly, George Bush wants dishonest government.
Clearly, the PNAC and JINSA crowds want dishonest government.

Though all of these scoundrels will lie about this from now to eternity. You really need to look at the reality in Iraq to understand how horrid this occupation and thievery is becoming:

democracynow.org 

There are plenty more article like that one showing the U.S. military to be engaged in war crimes.

"To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus

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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45922)4/16/2004 5:54:47 PM
From: Raymond Duray   of 50161
 
Re: You lie blatant and disgracefully in every post of yours, where is the evidence of this that only you reported..

OK, so betwee the two of us, we've been reduced to a "he said, she said" caricature. There is nothing to be gained by you by calling me a liar, inasmuch as I'm writing only verifiable facts or my opinion that the Bush Mafia is the most dangerous criminal conspiracy on the planet. A conclusion that does not seem far-fetched in view of the fact case.

In direct response to your query about evidence of the slaugher of innocents by corrupt sadistic U.S. military forces, here is a couple of eye-witness accounts from people who were in Fallujah acting as agents of mercy.

"Former Hostages Held in Iraq Speak About Their Captors & the U.S. Occupation"
democracynow.org 

News Digest:
democracynow.org 

"In Falluja - Jo Wilding Iraq diaries 11 April"
indymedia.org.uk 

Jo Wilding Bio:
wildfirejo.org.uk 

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The ball is now in your court. As we both know, the U.S. corporate media is hopelessly corrupt, mendacious and despicable. Don't bother to cite them, or the Pentagon. Both entirely lack the least bit of credibility or decency.

Please cite bona fide sources supporting your point of view. Anything less will make you appear to be a fraud.

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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45924)4/16/2004 6:08:18 PM
From: Raymond Duray   of 50161
 
Weak, Ike.

If you want to identify the medievalist among us, look no further than George Bush. He fully intends to end democracy in the U.S., creating an imperial dictatorship, with himself as dictator of course. And while he's sending his rogues and rapscallions half-way 'round the world to rape and pillage, at home he is promoting the religious claptrap and superstitions that decent men shuffled into the back-alleys of crackpot religious freakery over two centuries ago.

Why is George Bush attempting to force "Creationism" down the throats on the mostly brainwashed American public? So that he can better dominate a benighted, superstitious and ill-imformed mass of serfs. It's one of the most malevolent schemes on the planet today, reversing centuries of human advance through the Enlightenment and the age of science and reverting to a tragic medievalism with a tiny oligarchy making life miserable for a vast sea of peons.

If that isn't anti-democratic and demonic, I don't know what is.

Compared the George Bush's evil scheme, the deaths of four mercenaries in the streets of Fallujah pales in comparison.

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To: Soumen Barua who wrote (45925)4/16/2004 6:13:56 PM
From: Raymond Duray   of 50161
 
Re: I think Federal Reserve should raise the interest rate by thousand basis points in the next meeting.

Do you also think the moon is made of green cheese? ;')

[[This is another American expression to suggest absurdity, though somewhat dated. ]]

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You might enjoy this:

urbandictionary.com 

The latest and greatest in street cred and street crud.

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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45926)4/16/2004 6:22:00 PM
From: Raymond Duray   of 50161
 
Whatever.
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The more you rant, the sillier you look.

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To: Bilow who wrote (45929)4/16/2004 6:44:57 PM
From: Raymond Duray   of 50161
 
Bilow,

I think you'll like this "take" on reality. I sure did. I'm very much looking forward to Michael Moore's new film, "Farhenheit 911: The Temperature at Which Democracy Burns". Coming soon to a theater near you!

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Personal Voices: Setting the Record Straight
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By Michael Moore
AlterNet
April 15, 2004
alternet.org 

I have never seen a head so far up a Presidential ass (pardon my Fallujah) than the one I saw at the "news conference" given by George W. Bush. He's still talking about finding "weapons of mass destruction" – this time on Saddam's "turkey farm." Turkey indeed. Clearly the White House believes there are enough idiots in the country who will buy this.

I've been holed up for weeks in the editing room finishing my film ("Fahrenheit 911"). That's why you haven't heard from me lately. But after Tuesday night's Lyndon Johnson impersonation from the East Room – essentially promising to send even more troops into the Iraq sinkhole – I had to write you all a note.

First, can we stop the Orwellian language and start using the proper names for things? Those are not "contractors" in Iraq. They are not there to fix a roof or to pour concrete in a driveway. They are MERCENARIES and SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE. They are there for the money, and the money is very good if you live long enough to spend it.

Halliburton is not a "company" doing business in Iraq. It is a WAR PROFITEER, bilking millions from the pockets of average Americans. In past wars they would have been arrested – or worse.

The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow – and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush? You closed down a friggin' weekly newspaper, you great giver of freedom and democracy! Then all hell broke loose. The paper only had 10,000 readers! Why are you smirking?

One year after we wiped the face of the Saddam statue with our American flag before yanking him down, it is now too dangerous for a single media person to go to that square in Baghdad and file a report on the wonderful one-year anniversary celebration. Of course, there is no celebration, and those brave blow-dried "embeds" can't even leave the safety of the fort in downtown Baghdad. They never actually SEE what is taking place across Iraq (most of the pictures we see on TV are shot by Arab media and some Europeans). When you watch a report "from Iraq" what you are getting is the press release handed out by the U.S. occupation force and repeated to you as "news."

I currently have two cameramen/reporters doing work for me in Iraq for my movie (unbeknownst to the Army). They are talking to soldiers and gathering the true sentiment about what is really going on. They Fed Ex the footage back to me each week. That's right, Fed Ex. Who said we haven't brought freedom to Iraq! The funniest story my guys tell me is how when they fly into Baghdad, they don't have to show a passport or go through immigration. Why not? Because they have not traveled from a foreign country – they're coming from America TO America, a place that is ours, a new American territory called Iraq.

There is a lot of talk amongst Bush's opponents that we should turn this war over to the United Nations. Why should the other countries of this world, countries who tried to talk us out of this folly, now have to clean up our mess? I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle. I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe – just maybe – God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end.

Until then, enjoy the "pacification" of Falluja, the "containment" of Sadr City, and the next Tet Offensive – oops, I mean, "terrorist attack by a small group of Baathist loyalists" (Hahaha! I love writing those words, Baathist loyalists, it makes me sound so Peter Jennings!) – followed by a "news conference" where we will be told that we must "stay the course" because we are "winning the hearts and minds of the people."

I'll write again soon. Don't despair. Remember, the American people are not that stupid. Sure, we can be frightened into a war, but we always come around sooner or later – and the one way this is NOT like Vietnam is that it hasn't taken the public four long years to figure out they were lied to.

Now if Bush would just quit speaking in public and giving me more free material for my movie, I can get back to work and get it done. I've got four weeks left 'til completion.

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45933)4/16/2004 7:09:12 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF   of 50161
 
Pathetic Raymond <the deaths of four mercenaries in the streets of Fallujah pales in comparison. >

You call them mercenary I call these 4 fallen soldiers as heroes writing a new history for a country that was destroyed by baathists.Nazis were decimated by the ancestors of the same heroes same pedigree, the present day extremists are an equal threat as Nazis and for free world sacrifices are necessary. Freedom of Iraq is freedom of Arab thoughts and it will move like fire in the Middle East, the real threat to world is the extremist ideology for which your heart beats, come out of closet, it is end game now for people who wanted to take the world hostage now they are the hostage on the run, that is the difference that Bush doctrine has made.

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45935)4/16/2004 7:21:03 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF   of 50161
 
Raymond, 'ass' is as intelligent as you, lot of brawn but no brains, 'Sadr an honest, decent and patriotic man' who wants a decent government was your plank, now like an ass you come up with new links, I have no time for your links, put up or shut up is Sadr your decent leader of ‘honest government a indicted murderer or not, that you will never answer, how come an indicted murderer form a decent honest government that was core message of your many nonsensical posts and therefore I call you liar. It just shows to me your typical crap intransigence that typifies an ass.
I love your foolishness and you make me feel so good for the cause I stand for. The more I out you the more I know what the world would be like under newly converts ideolgical misfits.

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To: Bilow who wrote (45929)4/16/2004 7:31:37 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF   of 50161
 
Fullajah is at the heart of the Sunni triangle the infamous geographical area where the ruling baath party found its die hard zealots to enslave the majority of Iraq. Now that new freedom is ushering all over Iraq and new found freedom is absolutely chaotic unlike 'feeble stability' as a result of mass murder of dissent in case of tyranny, the Fallujah district is at the heart of privilege class inhabitants and its associated uprising has lot to do with the ideology and privileges of colonialism of Baathist party; these in this triangle were the ones, who would suck 80% resources for one million of their populace as other 44 million would go shoeless and breadless, now these diehards have their very keen agenda to destabilize the freedom and democracy or free elections where every one can be criticized and held accountable, the problem with freedom and accountability as it ushers is that it looks very messy but its eventual outcome ensures permanence of freedom and thought. I am sure that media hype that surrounds Fallujah tragedy fails to take into account the disproportionate number of very estranged Sunnis who would like to reestablish the Sunni triangle domination of a federal Iraq that has Kurds, and Shiites and other minorities. The ugly scenes are last sigh of the diehards.

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45935)4/16/2004 7:33:07 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF   of 50161
 
Whatever.

"Meanwhile, in Fallujah, the U.S. military is ruthlessly slaughtering hundreds of innocent women, children and elderly."
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The more you lie, the uglier and a bigger fat 'ass' you look.

You take care, eat well and grow more of brawn .. you need it to write your extensive posts.

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