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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (8432)1/6/2000 12:05:00 PM
From: Thomas A Watson
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Ya know Scott. On thinking more about that debian.org 
link.. Debian is not a just a Linux distribution, Debian is a religion. The the packages of unstable distribution is standard this is the mud people smear to discourage the faithful from finding out the truth.

From now on I am going to preach an anti Debian avoid the fanactics message. I always was uncomfortable when I spoke to Debian folks at shows with their defensive put down talk of other distributions. But the clear propaganda message of their official site has informed me of who the Linux, hmmmm... maybe Nazi's is to strong. I'll have to think on that. The beauty of Open Source is about competing in the marketplace on merit. Debian wants to compete in the traditional muck style.

Tom Watson tosiwmee

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To: mappingworld who wrote (8434)1/6/2000 12:05:00 PM
From: Thomas A Watson
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Olga, corl is up 5 on the graphon news, To me that is sucker bait based on my understanding of tech. But time tells all. The short term market made of of buyer and seller who know little of the underlying tech create totally unpredictable pricing. Fundamentals ultimately dictate price and I seek to discuss the technological foundations that mitigate the fundamentals and ultimately the price. Now you can call me a fat head for saying this, but extremely few have the depth and breath of my experience with technology. So I seek minds to sharpen mine. Thinking outside of the box is how you get an understanding of what is really in the box.

I simply see no revenue generation from current Linux plans that will support many Linux stock valuations. Now as to aplx. if this is indeed just a short quarter because of y2k deal closings, then I still see a rosy revenue path that's aided by Linux publicity by not based on core Linux revenue.

Corl's revenue is all core Linux revenue.

But it also could be that aplx and corl both for serveral more month's follow on different time lines general uptrending because of Linux hype having no foundation.

To me this is about knowing when to get out of Dodge. I can retionalise comfort in aplx but not corl. And I could be wrong.

Tom Watson tosiwmee

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To: mowa who wrote (8435)1/6/2000 12:16:00 PM
From: mappingworld
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<<Your point is true and good, the power of perception. But perception is ultimately a result of the underlying
reality.>>

Yes and no. The history of products is filled with stories of how less good products have won out over products that are generally considered better products because of monopoly power, smarts/stupids, timing, alliances, tricks, packaging, marketing, ignorant consumers, what have ya. It happens all the time. And this will continue.

My point is that a small section of technlogy people like Tom want what he wants in terms of his preferred linux version and what have ya. But for the average consumer, they won't care, therefore he may critise Corel for using the Dabian version but in my eyes it's irrelevant because the larger mass of consumers do not care. Those who do care, which is in my estimation a small portion, will go and ftp their hearts out. And because of the news today Corel will make it even more attractive for the avereage consumer to want to buy a Corel linux package then yesterday. Olga

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To: BP Ritchie who wrote (8431)1/6/2000 12:38:00 PM
From: zax
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GraphOn Bridges to Enable Corel LINUX OS to Instantly Access and Run Windows Applications Seamlessly
Thursday, January 6, 2000 09:08 AM

CAMPBELL, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6, 2000--GraphOn Corporation, (Nasdaq: GOJO, news, msgs) (www.graphon.com) has signed a licensing agreement with Corel Corporation (CORL) to integrate GraphOn's Bridges(TM) connectivity software into Corel(R) LINUX(R) OS. By integrating Bridges, Corel LINUX becomes the first and only complete desktop Linux operating system that lets users instantly access and run Windows(R) applications unchanged and seamlessly on their Linux PCs or devices over any dial-up, network or Internet connection and without the need for any additional hardware.
"Linux has been embraced as a truly viable, powerful and stable alternative to Windows, but the market still has a large investment in Windows applications," says Walt Keller, CEO and president of GraphOn Corporation. "Corel and GraphOn are taking Corel LINUX to the next level by giving users the freedom to adopt Linux on their desktop while still using their familiar Windows applications. It's no longer a matter of one OS or the other. GraphOn Bridges and Corel LINUX let users have it all."

"Our licensing agreement with GraphOn marks a major step in speeding the market's migration to Linux on the desktop," said Dr. Michael Cowpland, president and chief executive officer of Corel Corporation. "GraphOn technology is eliminating the one greatest roadblock to Linux's success on the desktop by providing users the easiest way to access and run the Windows or Linux applications of their choice."

Anyone running Corel LINUX OS featuring GraphOn Bridges on their desktop can instantly connect to and run Windows applications residing on any other PC using the integrated GraphOn Bridges(TM) software. The Bridges host portion of the software resides on the server alongside the desired Windows applications. The tiny Bridges Linux client (a software file about the size of a one-page word-processed document) enables the desktop PC to run the Windows applications over the Internet or even the thinnest connections such as dial-up phone lines. While the web-enabled Windows applications run on a different PC, they appear and perform as though they reside on the user's local Linux-based desktop PC or display device.

Corel LINUX OS featuring GraphOn Bridges is scheduled to be available in the second quarter 2000.

About GraphOn

GraphOn's award-winning Bridges software allows any display device to run any application over any type of connection, including low bandwidth, dial-up and wireless. GraphOn's products instantly web- enable any type of application, including Windows, Linux and UNIX applications without any software modification. GraphOn Bridges products provide organizations of all types the freedom of choice today and in the future--freedom in the choice of applications, operating systems and their connectivity framework, while achieving high performance and lower cost. GraphOn, which markets its solutions through OEM licenses, independent software vendors, application service providers and system integrators, is headquartered in Silicon Valley and is traded on the Nasdaq under the ticker, GOJO. For more information, please visit the company's web site at graphon.com.  Bridges eliminates the need to license the Windows NT kernel, Windows 2000, Terminal Services, or Citrix MetaFrame and also eliminates the need for any additional intermediary hardware.

About Corel

Corel Corporation is an internationally recognized developer of award-winning business productivity, graphics and operating system solutions on the Windows(R), Linux(R), UNIX(R), Macintosh(R) and Java(TM) platforms. Corel also develops market-leading, Web-based solutions including applications, contents, e- commerce and online services. For access to these services and more information go to www.corel.com or www.corelcity.com. Corel is headquartered in Ottawa, Canada. Corel's common stock trades on the NASDAQ Stock Market under the symbol CORL and on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol COR.

This press release contains statements that are forward looking as that term is defined by the United States Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results will differ due to factors such as shifts in customer demand, product shipment schedules, product mix, competitive products and pricing, technological shifts and other variables. Readers are referred to GraphOn's most recent reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Note to Editors: GraphOn, Bridges, GO-Joe, GO-Global, GO-Between, and jBridge are trademarks or registered trademarks of GraphOn Corp.



CONTACT: GraphOn Corporation
Rusty Keller, 1-800/GRAPHON
rusty.keller@graphon.com
graphon.com 
or
Pat Meier Associates
Pat Meier, 415/392-4200
patmeier@patmeier.com
patmeier.com 


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To: mappingworld who wrote (8438)1/6/2000 12:49:00 PM
From: Thomas A Watson
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Olga, I agree with what you say on several points. But the information liquidy of the internet is making it more favorable to superior technology and less favorable to Marketing. Corl products run on Corl Linux. Aplx products operate on all Linuxes and all Unixes. The strategic message of Open Source is freedom from specific vendors of hardware and software. Aplx is and corl is not.
Star Office also competes as an office suite at aplx level.

Unless some basic law's of technology have reversed, the GraphON solution is not a good idea. The average consumer will find this out quickly.

I don't critise corl for using Debian, I suggest that claiming Debian is a better Linux is fraud. This is Debian fraud not corl fraud. But it's interesting that corl is in bed with Debian. Now this could have occured as some Linux newbie at corl got born again as a Debian and that's history. Only a tech newbie would buy into emulation fairy tales. I also suspect that the emulation path of corl dictate that they have their own controlled version of a distribution and they chose debian as the slowest advancing.
No let's say that Debian is the longest time delayed advancing. 6 to 9? 12 months. Gives time for unique corl product integration.

The just released Linux kernel will ease installation of all Linuxes.

Also I heard from several that the Caldera lizard is the simplest of installs. Caldera is going IPO. With big IPO every body focuses and reviews and...

Competition..... I just don't see the revenue for 60 million shares. aplx 11 million shares.

Oh, I never ftp a distribution watman.com 
ya just end up burning a cd anyway that cost a buck the burn costs 30 minutes.

Olga, I weigh the pluses to cons and the what it's takes and what is the foundation. And short term it may mean squat. Long term it may mean squat. But are we investing or are we gambling.

Tom Watson tosiwmee

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To: mowa who wrote (8435)1/6/2000 1:08:00 PM
From: Thomas A Watson
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Mo.... you know who I am.. now please tell me what is dumb or stupid or wrong with what I say. Let us beat truth out of one another.

Tom Watson tosiwmee

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To: mappingworld who wrote (8438)1/6/2000 1:08:00 PM
From: mowa
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Yes and no. The history of products is filled with stories of how less good products have won out over
products that are generally considered better products because of monopoly power, smarts/stupids,
timing, alliances, tricks, packaging, marketing, ignorant consumers, what have ya. It happens all the
time. And this will continue.


...but only for a limited time, which is *my* point. The natural and inevitable result is an alignment of perception
and reality, even if it takes some time.

My point is that a small section of technology people like Tom want what he wants in terms of his
preferred Linux version and what have ya. But for the average consumer, they won't care, therefore he
may critise Corel for using the Dabian version but in my eyes it's irrelevant because the larger mass of
consumers do not care. Those who do care, which is in my estimation a small portion, will go and ftp
their hearts out. And because of the news today Corel will make it even more attractive for the
average consumer to want to buy a Corel Linux package then yesterday. Olga


I agree someone shouldn't make judgements on the larger situations based solely on their own frame of reference. I agree with your final assessments, although I do believe people *do* care. Both directly (particular OS, Distro, whatever. These are more informed folks) and indirectly ("I want my puter to not crash", "I like the shortcuts in WP better" etc.. These are less informed folk). All of these folks are affected by the underlying realities, though in different ways. Reality eventually reaches up to perception and draws it to itself.

MS is a good example of the inevitability of this truth.

The Register: China bans Win2k,
developing Red Flag Linux
instead
Jan 6, 2000, 17:00 UTC (0 Talkbacks) (Other stories by John Lettice)

"China is to ban government use of Windows 2000 and is developing its own
Linux-based operating system instead, according to reports this morning from
Beijing. The move, which doesn't seem to have been entirely confirmed as yet,
follows on from claims last year that China intended to ban both Intel
processors and Microsoft software for security reasons...."

"But while you could maybe reckon this is just a bit of price-gouging by China, the development of what seems
to be called Red Flag Linux (unless you want tanks on your lawn, Mr. Young, we'd caution you not to sue) is
being justified for other reasons. According to Chinese officials quoted in the paper the development of an
indigenous operating system is being seen as an IT parallel to the cold war leaps China made in producing
nuclear weapons, missiles and satellites."

Complete Story




mowa

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To: mowa who wrote (8442)1/6/2000 1:45:00 PM
From: Peter H. Mack
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This thing about China sure looks to me as a good fit for Via Tech since they bought up two cpu firms and have a good chipset. (I dont think we can get their stock easily however)
pete

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To: Peter H. Mack who wrote (8443)1/6/2000 2:06:00 PM
From: mowa
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Peter,

Turbo Linux is also in China and getting some alliances off the ground. This is why Linux is about to EXPLODE!!! I read similar stuff about India, Korea, Africa. MS's penetration into new markets (especially Third World)is going to be torturous or negligible, EU preparing suit or blocking action to MS in Europe. And on the other side a fervent desire for Linux (really freedom).

mowa

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To: mowa who wrote (8442)1/6/2000 2:25:00 PM
From: Thomas A Watson
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Mo, Someone should always make all judgements based on their own frame of reference. The ultimate consequences of the judgements may be mitigated by an underlying understanding the limits of the possible correctness of one reference frame and the continuous attempts to correct it and an unemotional ability to change judgement based on one's modification/update of one's own reference frame. Truth is not because I believe, truth is. Maybe truth is what or close to what I believe.

My evaluations have to do with trying to see between a plan and chaos and invisible forces. These are the vectors of why. I like chaos and think many err by seeing a plan in chaos. Invisible forces are difficult.
So much is invisible forces moving chaos. What are the connections?

Where why vectors point is one's current frame of reference.

Tom Watson tosiwmee

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