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To: Tim Hall who wrote (1765)5/29/2000 11:29:00 PM
From: Chuca Marsh   of 1913
 
OK, Tim, here goes; today I posted that there was a PATENT ON NEWTECHMINING at the BHMNF Board at RB. The Silver Nugget was not a joke either. Sometimes we just take different cources to the same destinations:
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also read the news at where I have a new SEC Disclosure on PR Assistance, a never ending story - but a story that is good!:
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( She says, Ohhhh! on this:)( And Oh #### on that ! ) How say you all, and Jackson too?:
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To: Chuca Marsh who wrote (1767)6/8/2000 11:40:00 PM
From: Tim Hall   of 1913
 
I prepared this information for some folks over on one of the RB boards but I thought some of the old DD followers over here might find it interesting. Sorry for the length.

Tim

I received a document today from the Bureau of Land Management. The title is:

Validity Examination of Six Mining Claims within the West Half of Section 14
T. 23 S., R. 63 E., Mount Diablo Meridian, Clark County, Nevada

The document is about «? thick so I am going to share what I consider to be the pertinent parts. If you wish to verify, you can contact Michael F. Dwyer at the Las Vegas BLM office.

SUMMARY
Burrett Clay and Matthew Shumaker were asked to investigate the validity of the Mijo 16 unpatented association placer mining claim, located in Section 14, T. 23 S., R.63 E. Mount Diablo Meridian, in Clark County, Nevada. The claimant, reported to us as Ian Matheson, was said to be removing common variety mineral material from the mining claim, and selling it. Matheson asserted that the mineral material was ?tailings? from his gold and silver operation. Matheson stated that, although gold was the metal of his primary interest, the material on the claim also contains platinum and related elements in very high concentrations. (First paragraph from page i.)

We(the BLM) had samples analyzed at three laboratories of Matheson?s preference. Those were White Technologies (White), in St. George, Utah, Complex Metals Research (Complex Metals), in Hurricane, Utah and Metallurgical Research and Assay Laboratory (MRAL), in Henderson, Nevada. In addition, we selected Legend and Chemex, in Reno, Nevada, and Bondar-Clegg in Vancouver, British Columbia.

The costs of assaying at White, Complex Metals, and MRAL was significantly higher than at labs normally used by the larger mining industry. Matheson attributed the additional cost to the exceptional experience of the assayers, and the individual attention that they gave to each sample. The conditions at each laboratory belied Matheson?s description. The labs ranged from cluttered in the case of MRAL, to cluttered with unsafe practices at White, to filthy at Complex Metals.

Each suite of samples that we submitted to each laboratory contained at least two blanks. All but one suite included a standard or known reference material. For samples submitted to White, Complex Metals, MRAL, and Legend, one blank was clearly marked and identified as a blank, and at least one sample from one or both of our yards, at our homes in central Arizona, was labeled as an actual Mijo group sample.

White, Complex Metals and MRAL reported that the blanks we had marked as blanks were barren of precious metals. However, for the blanks that we had labeled as actual samples, they reported very high values for precious metals. Standard and known reference materials were submitted to Complex Metals and MRAL. Their reported results did not even come close to the standard values, and there was no discernable pattern to the resulting concentration scatter. The samples that we submitted to Complex Metals were tampered with by the addition of precious metals while in the possession and control of the assayer, Jerry C. Henderson. We determined that White Technologies, Complex Metals and MRAL had reported unreliable results, so we disregarded them in our economic analysis.

Legend, Chemex, and Bondar-Clegg reported that the blanks marked as blanks were barren, and that the blanks marked as actual samples were also barren. We submitted standard and known reference materials to Legend, Chemex, and Bondar-Clegg. Their reported results were within an acceptable analysis range. We determined that the results reported by Legen, Chemex, and Bondar-Clegg were reliable, and they were used in our economic analysis.

The values of platinum and related metals that were reported to us by Matheson and his preferred assayers could not be verified. Results from traditional laboratories, including Bondar-Clegg using their nickel sulfide collector fire assay, indicated the presence of platinum group elements in concentrations no greater than the average crustal abundance of these elements. (Page ii)

Metallurgical Research and Analysis Laboratory (MRAL), Henderson, Nevada.
On May 13, 1999, we hand-delivered three samples to MRAL. These consisted of three five-gallon buckets filled with mineral matter screened to minus ¬ inch. The samples were numbered 13,14, and 15 (Attachment 11B-1). We had collected samples 13,14, and 15 earlier that morning. Sample 13 had been collected on the boundary between Mijo 16 and Mijo 17. Samples 14 and 15 were collected on the Mijo 17 and Mijo 16 respectively.

While samples 14 and 15 were being collected, Shumaker replaced Sample 13 with a complex blank, which consisted of a five gallon bucket of screened mineral matter that had been collected from his yard at his home in central Arizona. This was identical to complex blank material submitted to all other assayers under different sample numbers and blank material that was labeled by MRAL as B-1. (Paragraphs 6 & 7, page 35) Shumaker marked the bucket containing this complex blank as being Sample 13. The actual Sample 13 remains in locked storage at NTC.

We also submitted plainly-identified standards and blanks at the same time (Attachment 11B-1). The blank that we used was a split of the material from Shumaker?s yard, identical to what we submitted as Sample 13, except that we first pulverized this split in the NTC lab. One standard, which was labeled by MRAL as ?13(S-1) consisted of Nevada Bureau of Mines Standard No. 2b. The second standard was a known obtained fro Robin McCulloch, Staff Mining Engineer at the Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology. The standard consisted of Stillwater Mining Company?s platinum and palladium mill concentrates, with the company?s assay data. The concentrates contain primarily palladium, secondary platinum, with minor gold and rhodium. Stillwater uses this material as a standard in their mill process control. (Paragraphs 1 & 2, page 36.)

Although cluttered, conditions at MRAL were not as disorganized as at White Technologies or as at Complex Metals. Storage of reagents was informal. In the wet laboratory area, all exposed metal had rusted, probably due to airborne acid mist. Although MRAL personnel asserted that they had crushing and grinding apparatus, we did not see any during our visit. What appeared to be their Direct Coupled Plasma (DCP) Arc instrument (Photo L-47) was housed in a dusty office, adjacent to the main reception area.

The technique used during initial screening was sloppy. Cleaning the screen and wooden collection pan between samples consisted of tapping it against the concrete floor. The collection pan typically retained material from the previous sample (Photo L-48). Cross contamination occurred. In addition, material was frequently spilled onto the floor, and put back into the collection pan by hand. Not all spilled material was accounted for in final weights. The technique used to feed the wilfley table was similarly sloppy. The wetted material was scooped into the hopper either by hand, or using a ceramic bowl (Photo 43). Lost spillage was common (Photo 44). We did not witness weighing out of assay charges and reagents, so we cannot comment on the techniques and equipment used. However, the lab technique that we witnessed was poor, sloppy, and careless. Cross-contamination and loss of material were routine.

MRAL reported blank samples as high grade material when they were labeled as Mijo group samples, and as barren when they were identified as blanks. MRAL?s reported results fro the standards were also incorrect. They reported the gold concentration in NBMG standard 2b as 0.78 ounces per ton in one assay, and then as 1.92 ounces per ton in another. Neither were correct, and both were too high. NBMG reports gold concentration in standard 2b as 0.220 ounces per ton, plus or minus 0.008 ounces per ton. We had hoped for better accuracy on the analysis of the Stillwater Mining Company?s Pt and Pd mill concentrates. MRAL reported zero platinum, where they should have found 17.2 ounces per ton. Even allowing for poor lab technique and inaccuracy, some platinum should have been reported. On the other hand, MRAL reported 96.68 ounces per ton of palladium when they should have found 58.5 ounces per ton. Even adding the MBMG standard values for platinum and palladium together still does not produce 96.68 ounces per ton. (Page 38)

The poor lab technique and wildly incorrect results for blanks and standards cause all the results reported by MRAL to be suspect. They must be disregarded for this examination. The problems that we found cast considerable doubt on any assays reported by this laboratory. We believe that results reported by MRAL, Donald Jordan, or the staff of MRAL should not be accepted at face value by the BLM for any purpose, and that independent analysis of verifiable samples by an unrelated, competent lab must be required. (Paragraph 1, page 39)

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To: Tim Hall who wrote (1768)6/9/2000 5:05:00 PM
From: ddl   of 1913
 
Same songs, just different names I'll bet.

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To: ddl who wrote (1769)7/19/2000 3:22:15 PM
From: Tim Hall   of 1913
 
This is long....but I think most of us can relate !!


Courtesy of Bob Davis' The Napeague Letter

If you were foolish enough to read the Raging Bull, Silicon Investor, Yahoo or BOBZ chatboards as part of your research into small stocks, you have been witness, to a greater or lesser degree, to the promo dance being performed on these boards. The participants cover the whole spectrum of education, income, investment savvy, politeness and net worth, and, at one point or another, they exhibit every single human emotion possible. What other forum is there, where people from all walks of life and from all corners of the country - even the globe - can come together and join in a more-or-less-common cause? The spelling is always horrendous and the language is often peppered with dirty words. Most posters don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and think that the plural of company is "company's" - some even go so far as to write "two house's"... Hey, it's all for your exclusive entertainment!

It is not necessarily true, of course, that the common cause is the promotion of a small company's stock - ulterior motives are the bread-and-butter of these threads and "making money investing" is really not the point of what is going on. If you left the board feeling snowed by the stock's excited supporters, count to 10, ignore what you read and do some real research. If you left confused, learn from your waste of time and don't try to do research on the boards again. And if you left depressed - because the stock is no good or because you ran across some bad karma - stay away from the stock: these people, if there are more than one or two, have good reasons to be cranky.

The cast of characters on these boards is fairly predictable:

The Ringmaster. He always welcomes new participants and uses "good to see you" a lot to demonstrate his authority on the thread. If he has a big ego he will simply post "JK is here", presuming that everyone will be all aquiver with excitement when he shows up. He will endlessly remind people of all the virtues of the company in question, in the most general terms possible and always leaving out any negatives. The Ringmaster is extremely territorial - when a less authoritative poster presents some new bit of useful information or link, the Ringmaster will try to be the first to comment on it, politely... but he will quickly add some wrinkle to discredit the info or to top it.

If the thread is active enough and has enough regulars, the Ringmaster will often undertake a "share count" with the regulars - which invariably shows that they bought up 2 or 3 times the company's float. Also, the Ringmaster will orchestrate company visits, calls to the CEO, product evaluations, trips to company locations and questions to be presented at the Annual Meeting. The Ringmaster is a very good scout master....

Some Ringmasters actually send regular private e-mails to their disciples, and will simply post "E-mail out". This is a great attention-getting device, good for the ego - however, the e-mails are usually empty fluff. Be that as it may, the anointed are grateful for the crumbs thrown their way and take comfort in the knowledge that they are part of the "inner circle".

If the stock is a dog, the Ringmaster will always go down with the ship, rejecting and denying all negative evidence, in order to continue to have his ego fed by the stock's supporters. In the rarest of cases, the Ringmaster will change his mind and admit that he no longer likes the stock - subjecting himself to the most vile and personal invective possible. He will make his exit soon after, in search of another stock to be the guru of. On the chatboards, one is not supposed to have an open mind - one is supposed to be a faithful "long term investor", and the only virtue is stubborn blind faith.

The Sycophants are the Ringmaster's fan club. They compete for the Ringmaster's approval, doing a lot of web surfing to come up with the most obscure bits of related info possible. They will also post all the time why they love the stock and why it will go to 10 or 100 - always round numbers - and what they will do when they retire from the profits on the stock. They are also endlessly lying about buying the dips and adding after chart break-downs, trying to get other mullets to follow their lead. Often, they simply inform the Ringmaster how much they added to their positions, and wait for the "attaboy!". Often, a turn of phrase such as "on the trail", or "ready for the explosion" will become part of the thread's folklore after being introduced by one of the regulars. It adds to the sense of community.

The Sycophants are like a Hallellujah Chorus for the CEO as well, reminding each other how great the management is and how conscientiously it is looking out for shareholders' interests. Half the time, the management and insiders use these fools to line their own pockets, selling into rallies. All the while, everybody blames the market makers for everything, from cancer to low graduation rates in our schools.

The Apprentice is the second banana of the show, a younger investor who likes the stock, likes the Ringmaster, has access to management and is ready to step in and take the baton if the leader's spot becomes vacant. He is learning how to gain credibility, how to flex his muscles, how to feed off the leftovers. If he is not anointed after a while, he loses interest and discovers his own "wonder stock" in due course, disappearing for good.

The Seldom-Seen Guru is typically a newsletter writer or influential investor who has recommended the stock, often with new information in his missives, derived from his access to management. He typically has real capital to invest and uses it to gain influence. He is usually a good stock-picker too, otherwise he'd be out of business. Many of these characters have been shut down by the SEC in recent months, for overplaying their hand and playing both sides of the street - paid subscribers and compensation for stock promotion, at the same time (it's called "double dipping" and it is illegal).

The Guru will try to preserve his mystique by not posting very frequently, but he will make an appearance from time to time - mostly when the stock is rising - to remind people that the stock is his "creation", more or less. The regulars will usually do their utmost to drown him out, accusing him of being a fair-weather friend and of not pushing (or buying) the stock hard enough. If such an investor were to show up in filings as a seller or as one who is removing restrictions off his Rule 144 stock, all #### breaks loose. The smaller holders start raising a ruckus and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, trying to scare the Guru into holding on to his stock; this never works. Often, one of the super-macho bullies on the thread will offer to buy the whole block at a quarter of its market price, without explaining why he thinks the stock might be worth so little.

The Hired Bashers are, along with the gurus, the only pros on the chatboards. They are thorough, methodical, informed and very active. Since they often get paid by market makers who want to drive the stock down - and since they get paid by the number of responses they generate to their own posts - they are provocative, a lot like the schoolyard bully. They accuse the regulars of being blind, naive, led around by the nose by management... and all manner of other sins.

On most boards, anyone who posts more than once with critical information is accused of being a basher and interrogated as to his motives, compensation and sanity. Invariably, the basher hides behind a desire to "provide a public service".

Bashers always hide behind their handles and never use their real names. As a result, their handles are twisted into every conceivable alliteration to insult him: "residuum" can become "residumb" or "rectum", for example.

The Stink-Bombers - Every company that has had an up-an-down history has made a few enemies - either people who lost a lot of money on the stock or who were offended by management. These unpaid bashers take a gleeful pleasure in every bit of adverse news, every dip, every critical comment, every low-volume day. They also toss insulting and fabricated posts, often very personal in nature, in the middle of the room for maximum effect. They love the hatred and the insults that come soon after, as sure as the sun rising in the east.

The Flame-Throwers are not bashers, in the sense of persistently criticizing the company or the stock, but they like to show up like masked guerillas and foul up the place with short, inflammatory, nonfactual posts whose sole purpose is to get a rise out of the regulars. Typical language is: "watch it tank now", "time to head for the exits", "the last one out the door, turn out the lights", "I'm so glad I sold much higher" etc. These guys are part of the entertainment, like the dancing girls in Vegas, but uglier.

The Drifters are not a rock group, they are a set of wishy-washy space cadets with small positions who wander in and out, depending on whether they are surfing the web or whether their bosses gave them some time off from work. They are looking for info, advice, support, comfort and so on. Once in a while they establish a rapport with the regulars by talking about skydiving or fishing or stamp-collecting, but they are wallpaper, adding nothing to the information base in the thread.

A drifter will sometimes have a funny handle and will try to force a pun connected to his moniker on the regulars: "seatofthepants", for example, is always "sittin' puckered" (even though no one is laughing at the joke), and "ladyinthehouse" will be meekly looking for "pretty news".

The Plebes are benevolent small investors who are making their first forays onto the chatboards. They
are unsure of themselves and try to be brief; they are more likely to be asking questions than making
statements. They are the dullest part of the tableau, the peons. Their posts are usually ignored by the
regulars. There are numerous Plebes who don't even post, and they are referred to as Lurkers - that's
the great, unseen audience. You might be part of it.

The Court Jester is a foolish, uneducated working stiff, trying to make something of himself but ending up the object of everyone's mockery. He may not understand investing, or he may be a terrible speller, or he may be kissing up to different factions at different times - but he will look foolish no matter what he does. All the while, he tries to make a little money in the stock, with his limited resources. He is abused mercilessly, and his handle is used to rub his face in his own humiliation. For example, "Marty Dorf", a fool who actually uses his own unfortunate name, became "Farting Dork".

The Enemy, the Darth Vader of every thread, is the market maker. The paranoid culture of the chatboards feels that MM's are in the business of shorting good stocks - a foolish strategy, as anyone can figure out. No one has been able to establish how they make money by doing this and eventually losing their asses, but that doesn't prevent every thread from having a long article posted regularly about MM strategies and how they hurt investors. It has not occurred to the regulars that the MM's are nothing more than businessmen trying to make a buck. It wouldn't fit their own culture.

The CEO - Every CEO of a small company watches his company's chatboards like a hawk. Many CEO's of bulletin board companies are stock promoters at heart, and they feel they are smart enough to post or to have people post their e-mail without regard to legal liability. What they're doing of course, is outright manipulation - and, once in a while, they actually get their wrists slapped by the SEC. They hate to read the posts and not get in the fray. Predictably, they are incapable of uttering anything that is even slightly negative about their own company. Their e-mail contacts post the CEO's responses as if they were badges of honor, and they are rewarded with kudos and encouragement from the other members of the fan club. They lap up the pronouncements from Mount Olympus as if they were gospel, and they never doubt either the content or the CEO's motives.

The chatboard tragi-comedy is ready to unfold, any time you care to drop in. You may not make money on your microcaps, but you can always enjoy the show for free...

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To: Tim Hall who started this subject10/23/2000 6:16:32 PM
From: Tim Hall   of 1913
 
Operators of mine to pay $460,000 in restitutions and fines

Associated Press
Oct. 23, 2000 10:38


TUCSON - The operators of an alleged mining investment scheme based in Arizona have agreed to pay more than $460,000 in restitution and fines to settle charges they violated state securities laws.

Calumet Slag Inc. allegedly offered unregistered shares in a dubious venture to extract gold and silver from a mine slag heap in the Black Hills of South Dakota, according to the Securities Division of the Arizona Corporation Commission.

Regulators said company officers Jeffrey G. Crawford of Mesa and Matthew Hunzinger of Glendale told investors the slag pile was worth $15 million based on studies that indicated precious metals could be gleaned from the site.

However, investigators found that at least one report since 1994 concluded there were no significant amounts of gold or silver in the heap.

Calumet allegedly has no significant assets, though by 1999 Calumet principals had raised at least $580,000 from approximately 180 investors.

Without admitting wrongdoing, Crawford agreed to pay restitution of $400,000 and penalties of $15,000. Hunzinger agreed to pay $37,500 in restitution and a fine of $10,000.

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To: Tim Hall who wrote (1771)10/24/2000 7:54:41 PM
From: go4it   of 1913
 
Friends of yours? I know there are legitimate mines in Az. I sell them real products these days.

Hope life at the top of the Perlite world is treating you well.

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To: go4it who wrote (1772)11/17/2000 5:15:54 PM
From: Tim Hall   of 1913
 
go4it,

I am looking for investors in a new company. We are going to produce Desert Dirt voting machines. As long as one uses our proprietary counting process, the Democrats will always win. The name of the company is "No Chad's Too Pregnant".

Tim

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To: Tim Hall who wrote (1773)11/18/2000 5:24:15 AM
From: Chuca Marsh   of 1913
 
Is that like a partial abortion, a fish story, a Chad & Wheat Seperation? Or should Al Gore ge in, just maybe he will say: " I invented the recount! " But if George W gets in he will now say, " I invented the floppy chad hole punch thingys that fall out aftr too much handling. Thus, I invented the Chadque O'Neil Hoop Slam. Hit it from the sidelines, in no mans land outside of Waco!" And has anyone ever asked, were the feds after The Branch in Waco, or were they really protecting Georges ranch. I thik Janet Keno ad her umbers off a chad. But that is me.
Chucka-Hard Not chadfloppy will start my groups company- Mr Go might approve. Chad Rock - not SOFT.

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To: Tim Hall who wrote (1773)11/18/2000 6:10:24 AM
From: ddl   of 1913
 
So long a Furlong isn't on the development team! His math is baddd!!!

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To: Tim Hall who wrote (1773)11/18/2000 10:11:33 AM
From: Bill Jackson   of 1913
 
Tim, CHAD WARS I hear the Republicans are developing fiberglass reinforced ballots that will increase their strength tremendously and make it very hard for the geriatric cases wheeled out by the democrats. Only a strong and sure voter, ie a Republican voter, will be able to punch out the chad.
Not willing to concede defeat the Democrats are developing ballots made of foggy mist(compressed) that punch out with a weak glance, which is all most dems can muster at the best of times.

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