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To: RkyMtnFool who wrote (12692)4/25/2000 11:14:00 AM
From: jebj   of 14162
 
>My guess is that your calls were exercised by your broker, but that they are choosing to screw you because you did not order the assignment. - Hal

don't know if it will help but you can go to the NASD site and then to their ombusman site and file a complaint. If they want, they can find out if the broker exercised the options but since you did not request them to do so, they will not do anything additional for you, I think.

But knowing if the broker did exercised or not gives you some leverage.

jb

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To: jebj who wrote (12696)4/25/2000 3:58:00 PM
From: FruJu   of 14162
 
Hi Jebj...

The NASD site or the OCC site?

I called Options Clearinghouse Corporation, and the helpful guy at the help desk looked up my broker's account with them and said

"Yes, unless we hear explicitly to the contrary, all equity options over 3/4 a point in the money are automatically exercised."

So it sounds like the broker with 99% certainty did exercise my options, but because I didn't explicitly tell them to, they're just going to pocket the cash.

Do you have a web address or contact address for the Ombudsman you think I should talk to to determine whether the broker did with 100% certainty exercise those options for themselves??

Thanks!

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To: FruJu who wrote (12697)4/25/2000 4:15:00 PM
From: jebj   of 14162
 
Fruju, go to -

nasd.com 

On the right side is a menu with ombusman on it. They can get the info for you but they are only interested in if you did not get the trade you asked for so they may not help.

But if you can get the info from them or CBOE it would give you some leverage with the broker.

Post their name - we will blast them with emails! :)

jb

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To: FruJu who wrote (12697)4/25/2000 10:02:00 PM
From: X Y Zebra   of 14162
 
"Yes, unless we hear explicitly to the contrary, all equity options over 3/4 a point in the money are automatically exercised."


After the above statement this occurs to me:


The business the broker is in, is that of service to the client (you), and collect a commission for such service.

To me that this implies certain ethical behavior.

If, they are exercising your options and keeping the cash because you assumed you had to explicitly notify them, I would question their ethics.

Perhaps, it would be a good idea for you to relate the story to CNBC, (in the worst case), exposing your experience to other investors so as to use your experience as a "learning" experience, and at least, get something positive out of this event.

At the same time, (once you are assured that CNBC would air your story), make sure you let your kind broker know that they will be appearing on tv for their "educational" efforts.

Of course, that is after you have exhausted all your pleas for the broker to act in a more ethical fashion. I mean, after all, I think is quite obvious that your intent is to MAKE money when you had the position you had. [and NOT just let the broker keep the fruits of your risk taking]

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To: X Y Zebra who wrote (12699)4/26/2000 12:43:00 AM
From: Dan Duchardt   of 14162
 
If, they are exercising your options and keeping the cash because you assumed you had to explicitly notify them, I would question their ethics.

I have no legal basis for for my opinion, but it seems clear to me that if in fact the broker exercised the options and kept the stock or sold it and kept the money, he STOLE your property. It's one thing for him to fail to act on your behalf because you did not direct him to do so. It's quite something different to claim ownership of the contracts you purchased and exercise them for his own benefit. He did not own them. I can't believe this is permitted by the regulations. It's theft, pure and simple.

Dan

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To: Dan Duchardt who wrote (12700)4/26/2000 12:52:00 AM
From: X Y Zebra   of 14162
 
Yes, it seems that way to me on first impression. Then again, I would not be surprised, if there may be some law, disclosure, or similar that may protect the broker.

But once again, trading is a business in which one's ethics are most important. This broker's actions do not seem to me to be highly ethical, or acting in "good will".

I remind you that the one in the middle of this is not myself. It is "FruJu". (I merely made a suggestion to him)

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To: X Y Zebra who wrote (12701)4/26/2000 11:23:00 AM
From: jebj   of 14162
 
Ref. FruJu's problem - we see time after time after time on threads of questionable actions by brokers, MM's, etc., in this industry. Totally unacceptable service from data providers are another.

The brokers have NASD to "help" them with any problems - and spend tons of money on political donations to make sure the SEC and others get "their side" of things.

Considering the amount of money traders are putting into the market each day, I just can't believe there is no organization of traders that would take up THEIR side of issues or that they will not support such an organization - but I mentioned this on another thread and RECEIVED NOT ONE SINGLE COMMENT!

Not only is that sad but one has to wonder why? Just one of these issues resolved in the favor of traders - MM's backing away from trades, etc., would pay for such an organization for some period of time.

The cost per tarder would be very small - and without anyone to speak for us we will forever be at the mercy of what THEY want.

jb

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To: jebj who wrote (12702)4/26/2000 11:33:00 AM
From: Casaubon   of 14162
 
sounds like you need to take the lead and pound the table and get the ball rolling and put the time in and convince everyone it's worthwhile and in the end get...?

Good Luck!

PS You are right but it sounds like more than a lifetimes work.

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To: jebj who wrote (12698)4/26/2000 12:04:00 PM
From: FruJu   of 14162
 
Post their name - we will blast them with emails! :)

Well, I deliberately haven't because I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that they'll "do the right thing" in this case.

I'm about to call up and see if it's possible to trace whether those particular options were exercised by the brokerage last Thursday.

Or perhaps my broker called in before 4:30 CST to let the OCC know "explicitly not to exercise them" even though they were 19 points in the money (sorry for my sarcasm :)).

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To: jebj who wrote (12702)4/26/2000 12:30:00 PM
From: X Y Zebra   of 14162
 
Considering the amount of money traders are putting into the market each day, I just can't believe there is no organization of traders that would take up THEIR side of issues or that they will not support such an organization - but I mentioned this on another thread and RECEIVED NOT ONE SINGLE COMMENT!

My best guess for the lack of interest for such organization are these:

1. Traders, as a profesion/activity, (in larger numbers), is a relatively new so there has been enough time to become organized.

2. The "character" of the trader, seems to fit that of an independent individualist, (much along the lines of "Libertarians"). Hence, as it can be seen by the lack of success of the libertarian party, we seem to be too independent to take the initiative in this type of issues. In short, we hate politics.

This in turn, seems to stop us from becoming some sort of "lobbying" body to start defending ourselves against the known evils of the industry.

We seem to "find our best INDIVIDUAL solution" (whatever works), and move on.

Perhaps... the real solution would be the wide access to ECN's in which MM are bypassed by creating an electronic environment where the actual traders (no middle men), meet in real "best offers" directly. This may yet come to pass.

This of course is my own opinion.

Perhaps, you and others like you may want to start such an organization so the brokers, MM etc. will meet real objections to their deeds.

Unfortunately, I believe at the start, you need to be a little like Don Quijote de la Mancha to start attacking "the evil windmills".

Good luck to you.

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