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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (2297)2/6/2009 3:29:28 PM
From: Kirk ©   of 2362
 
They are keeping their dividend for another quarter. I think it would be sticking their heads in the sand to not at least acknowledge they will constantly reevaluate and do what is best for the long term.

If the stock price were $20 rather than $10.xx, and all else equal, would there be such pressure or talk of a dividend cut?

I too own it... with first shares bought in the low 30s when I felt it was a good value... and more bought recently at $12.... so maybe wishful thinking?

A good part of their debt comes from issuing bonds to lend customers money to buy their wares... A depression would smash them but as long as customers can make payments... they should be OK. Turbines in power plants keep making electricity...

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To: Sr K who wrote (2295)2/6/2009 3:38:17 PM
From: Jacob Snyder   of 2362
 
Feb. 6 (Bloomberg) -- General Electric Co.’s board said it will evaluate whether to maintain the dividend in this year’s second half as a global recession and credit crisis hurt earnings at the world’s largest maker of jet engines and power equipment.

For now GE will continue to pay the quarterly dividend of 31 cents a share, the Fairfield, Connecticut-based company said in a statement today.

Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Immelt said in January that he believes GE can justify both its $1.24-a-share annual dividend, which will cost the company about $13.4 billion this year, and maintain its AAA credit rating, the highest possible.

“The board and I will continue to evaluate the company’s dividend level for the second half of 2009 in light of the growing uncertainty in the economy, including U.S. government actions, rising unemployment and the recent announcements by the rating agencies,” Immelt said in the statement. “Our fundamental priorities will remain keeping the company safe and secure in the current environment and investing in attractive growth opportunities.”

The board voted to preserve the dividend in September, saying the payout was the best way to “return value to shareholders.” U.S. companies are reducing dividends at the fastest rate in half a century, hoarding cash and squeezing investors who depend on the payouts more than ever to boost returns.

The global recession and credit crisis may make it harder for GE Capital, the company’s finance arm, to meet its $5 billion profit goal this year. Moody’s Investors Service laid out in December specific criteria the company must meet to retain its highest rating, including the ability of the non-finance units to produce $16 billion in cash flow as Immelt had promised.
bloomberg.com 

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To: Kirk © who wrote (2298)2/6/2009 4:00:28 PM
From: Jacob Snyder   of 2362
 
<they should be OK>

The company or the stock? The manufacturing part of the business could survive this recession, and prosper once it's over, while the stock could be destroyed by the finance part of the business.

I'm certain their manufacturing business will survive, and prosper once the recession ends. I also think the odds of a depression are small.

The problem is, their finance business is a fiscal black hole. It's so complicated, I can't possibly understand it. I started buying at $23, when Buffett did, based on my trust of management's LT record, and trusting that Buffett knew what he was doing. Now I'm not so sure.

After all the numbers and ratios and charts, it comes down to trust. My trust has been severely strained by events of the last 2 weeks.

Is the X-dividend date Feb 21? Probably worth while to hold at least till then.

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To: Kirk © who wrote (2298)2/6/2009 4:04:33 PM
From: Elmer Phud   of 2362
 
They are keeping their dividend for another quarter.

I got the impression it's good for Q2 as well. If they will evaluate 2H shouldn't that mean Q2 is safe?

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (2301)2/6/2009 4:06:08 PM
From: John Carragher   of 2362
 
cnbc just flashed dividend would be reviewed in 2h.. to me that means dividend safe for first half. been buying since $14. figure down here no matter what happens to dividend or rating ge will recover from these lows.

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To: John Carragher who wrote (2302)2/6/2009 10:13:17 PM
From: John Chen   of 2362
 
"buying since $14. figure down here no matter what happens to dividend or rating ge will recover from these lows.".

This is not a sure thing. Not knowing how GE keeps the book.
As long as GE didn't participate the 'financial engineering'
parade, the company is OK, and goes up and down along with
economic cycle.

The fear is : "how much finincial engineering GE has used?"

Look at BAC, relative bought at $14-ish, it's $6.37 with the
bailout talk.

It's a better late than early kind of market.

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To: John Chen who wrote (2303)2/7/2009 12:53:00 AM
From: John Carragher   of 2362
 
certainly not a sure thing.. money tells us that with stock continue to being driven lower and i expect shorts piling on.

i figure the industrial business is solid and will rebound in the future. strong management history will drive them back to be very competitive, in nuclear energy, turbine,solar, and their other businesses. most of my purchases are $12. and lower and i will sell into profits. ceo stated his credit part is pretty sound, not like the banks. who knows.. ceo also mentioned he doesn't really need the triple a for providing cash etc as they have the capacity to get paper money on their own. recently did so. i do not think the drop from triple aaa is as big a deal as made out. long term i like ge common vs bonds or other cash alternatives. I have been buying other higher dividend paying stocks.. bp,, shell, pm too. even pfe. mrk, some pipeline distribution companies.

each of these investments are not big bets overall.

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To: John Carragher who wrote (2304)2/7/2009 1:40:51 AM
From: John Chen   of 2362
 
"each of these investments are not big bets overall".

Might as well trade / invest DIA or similar.

No spectacular result, but spreading the risk,
avoiding stuff like C, BAC... even GE is kind of shaky
with financial exposure.

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From: Woody_Nickels2/8/2009 8:57:51 PM
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Excerpt from Schaeffer's options research from 2/6:

<<Regardless of today's joyless jobless report and a bearish brokerage note at JPMorgan, the shares of General Electric (GE: View sentiment for GEsentiment, chart, options) have trended higher in early trading. What's more, optimistic options players are coming out of the woodwork, scooping up calls faster than Dwight Schrute can quote Battlestar Galactica.>>

For the rest of the article see:

schaeffersresearch.com 

Woody

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From: SirWalterRalegh2/28/2009 12:17:15 PM
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Thanks for the "BIG LIE" Jeff.

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