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To: Stormweaver who wrote (18329)7/29/1999 9:27:00 PM
From: paul   of 64860
 
Powerpoint is the biggest waste of bandwidth in the world - ever have to download a 4 MB powerpoint file on a 28.8 modem with containes nothing but a bunch of bulleted items - you could put this in ASCII or in the body of an email in 20K.

No wonder productivity of computers is questioned with all this cr*p bloatware circulating around.

as far as buying more software - ask compusa if people are buying more software - with this big increase in cheap PC's you would think this category would be exploding but people are doing things in the browser not going to stores and plunking down money for out of date, hard to install PC software that may cost more than their 399 PC.

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To: Martin Milani who wrote (18331)7/29/1999 9:32:00 PM
From: paul   of 64860
 
huh??? HP has a bigger Unix market share than AIX - any software company who provides Unix solutions supports HPUX - Aix is a distant third to Sun and HP in the Unix Market.

as far as OSF - i remember that Scott McNealy called this "Oppose Sun Forever" becasue it was a consortium of competetive vendors like Digital, IBM, etc who tried to pigeonhole Sun - Sun however was nowhere near the dominant player that it is today and certainly doesnt have the market share which constitutes a monopololy like Microsoft does on the desktop so resisting OSF was a business decision and not a monopolistic effort to control standards.

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To: paul who wrote (18339)7/29/1999 10:00:00 PM
From: QwikSand   of 64860
 
But don't forget that the OSF formed because AT&T & Sun got together and basically told the world that they were in control of Unix; they were going to rewrite it in C++ or some hogwash like that. Since at that time AT&T, the ultra-arrogant owner of Unix, let you talk to their lawyers for a couple of days before they even allowed you to use their restrooms, the rest of the industry saw themselves getting frozen out and formed the OSF in frightened reaction. Unfortunately, however, IBM and DEC got into a "mine is bigger than yours" game and the whole thing turned into a clown show.

That late-80's period was Unix' era of shame...every moronic mistake that possibly could have been made by executive empty suits, was made. It was the final destruction of Unix's chance to become what Windows is today, and all because of executive egos at AT&T, IBM, OSF, DEC and (sorry to say) SUNW.

It is interesting to note that literally every one of the executive players who participated in that fiasco period is gone in one way or another, faded into the obscurity they so very richly deserve, except McNealy, the last man standing. It says something about his skills as a fighter.

Regards,
--QwikSand

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To: Stormweaver who wrote (18329)7/29/1999 11:51:00 PM
From: cheryl williamson   of 64860
 
p.s. I wonder if Sun mgmt uses Powerpoint & MS Project

No, they don't. SUNW outlawed MSFT garbage-ware many years ago,
even before Java.

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To: cheryl williamson who wrote (18341)7/30/1999 10:37:00 AM
From: Stormweaver   of 64860
 
What does Sun mgmt use then for presentation software ? Also I would be interested what they use for project management software ?

I guess you work there Cheryl ?

Cheers
James

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To: paul who wrote (18338)7/30/1999 11:04:00 AM
From: Stormweaver   of 64860
 
Powerpoint is the biggest waste of bandwidth in the world - ever have to download a 4 MB powerpoint file on a 28.8 modem with containes nothing but a bunch of bulleted items - you could put this in ASCII or in the body of an email in 20K.

Actually Powerpoint is the #1 presentation creation software in the world Paul. Generally it's usefulness is not determined by how long it takes to download it at 28.8 but rather how effective it is at letting someone create presentation content; what it was designed for.

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To: Esvida who wrote (18323)7/30/1999 11:09:00 AM
From: Stormweaver   of 64860
 
Server side on x86 I'd go Linux rather than Solaris x86 simply because it actually has real 3rd party vendor support. Also as a bonus Redhat 5.2 ships with Sybase server.

Linux is now where Solaris x86 could have been about 3 years ago. This just highlights Sun's lack of planning for this important market place.

/James

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To: Stormweaver who wrote (18155)7/30/1999 11:25:00 AM
From: Stormweaver   of 64860
 
Claude, glad we're not day traders in Atlanta ehhh ? I guess that gun law comes in handy in the U.S. ... nice to be able to carry three pistols around and let off some steam when you have a bad day; good ol' U.S.A. style!

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To: Stormweaver who wrote (18344)7/30/1999 11:32:00 AM
From: QwikSand   of 64860
 
Linux is now where Solaris x86 could have been about 3 years ago. This just highlights Sun's lack of planning for this important market place.

It highlights the fact that Linux is free and comes with source. Sun deluded themselves into hoping they would make money off Solaris x86.

Regards,
--QS

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To: Stormweaver who wrote (18342)7/30/1999 12:22:00 PM
From: Nolan Toone   of 64860
 
> What does Sun mgmt use then for presentation software ?

McNealy said about 5-6 years ago that this "productivey"
software was more hype sent by M$ to slow down the rest
of the world.

He said that 99% of the things that were done could have
been done as well and faster using plain old ASCII and
it would be a big gain in REAL productivity. He told
everyone that he didn't want ANYONE using powerpoint.
(I've always agreed with this point, but now that the age
of Browsers is here, I've substituted HTML for
ASCII.)

> Also I would be interested what they use for project
> management software ?

They have been using AutoPlan and are now switching to
something else but I'm not sure what it is.

> I guess you work there Cheryl ?

Not as far as I can tell.

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