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To: Wallace Rivers who wrote (9187)12/8/1999 11:33:00 AM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris   of 51613
 
>YHOO 92 bil.
>F 61 bil.

Have you ridden a Ford lately, or do you Yahoo? :-))))

>JPM 23 bil.
>MER 30 bil.

I think these correlate pretty closely with market
cap of Yahoos

Jurgis

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (9193)12/8/1999 11:38:00 AM
From: Wallace Rivers   of 51613
 
You are kidding, aren't you?

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To: Wallace Rivers who wrote (9194)12/8/1999 12:10:00 PM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris   of 51613
 
> You are kidding, aren't you?

Both.

>>YHOO 92 bil.
>>F 61 bil.

>Have you driven a Ford lately, or do you Yahoo? :-))))

Apart from being a reference to the commercials
of respective companies, this indicates prevalent
knowledge of "brand". Financials be damned. Who
the hell cares what a "market cap", "PE", or even "E" is?
I've got enough coworkers who know the only important
thing about our company's financials - its stock
price.

>>JPM 23 bil.
>>MER 30 bil.

>I think these correlate pretty closely with market
>cap of Yahoos

If Yahoo market cap fell below $1 bln, market caps
of JPM and MER would be much lower too. Trust me.

Jurgis

"It is not necessary for the public to know whether I am
joking or whether I am serious, as it is not
necessary to know it for myself" - Salvador Dali

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (9195)12/8/1999 5:06:00 PM
From: Grommit   of 51613
 
Well, golly!

Ford vs. Yahoo and a comment like this on the value thread.

Who the hell cares what a "market cap", "PE", or even "E" is I've got enough coworkers who know the only important thing about our company's financials - its stock price.

Ford has over 300,000 employees, (yeah I know employees are liabilities), over $5.00 per share earnings. Net income of $6 billion for last year. ROE of over 25%.

YHOO has $387 million of revenue for last 9 months. And YHOO mkt cap is highter than Ford.

Sure I wish I owned Yahoo, but I'm too smart. I own F. And used to work there too.

......

PS - adios all. My posting were limited, but will become more so. I just rejoined the working world after 10 years of tranquility. A Start up - kind of. $2MM sales last year, $4MM next. Break even already. Electronics. Solid industry recognition as the superior product. I'm CFO. Going public in 2-3 years. But even now, 2 companies pounding on the door to buy the company out. I'll let you know when to buy. :o) Ack, I need an alarm clock now. :o(

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To: Grommit who wrote (9196)12/8/1999 9:04:00 PM
From: Michael Burry   of 51613
 
On the subject of Ford vs. Yahoo, how ironic that it was Ford that paid $6 billion for the $600 million cash flow Volvo car business, and that it was Yahoo that paid the same $6 billion amount for Geocities with its $26 million loss (on 14 million revenue).

A very, very close friend of mine whom I work with and talk with 6 hours a day has in the last 3 weeks quintupled his net worth on a single stock. Today he crossed $500,000. He's not an insider at a company or anything. He's just a resident phsyician who's buying what everyone else is buying, and he's telling me the same thing: fundamentals don't matter anymore; who wants to talk about fundamentals?

Paul, if doctors make lousy investors, what does it tell you when doctors are making excellent investors - in droves?

Mike

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To: Grommit who wrote (9196)12/8/1999 9:38:00 PM
From: James Clarke   of 51613
 
Grommit - thanks for your insights - your work on Blair was great. I hope to see more of you in the future if you have time with your new job. We all have jobs too, so I'm sure you'll find the time. Best of luck with your new opportunity - sounds exciting. All I can say is your job as CFO may be to get the IPO done real real soon. There is a window now that is as open as it is ever going to get.

JJC

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To: Grommit who wrote (9196)12/8/1999 9:55:00 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51613
 
Au revoir, Grommit. I will miss your humor, your informative posts, and your stock picks.

Good luck back in world of work.

Paul Senior

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To: Michael Burry who wrote (9197)12/8/1999 11:41:00 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51613
 
Mike, re: >>what does it tell you when doctors are making excellent investors - in droves? <<

Price of medical care will rise as physicians decide to leave the profession and become professional investors. (-g-) It's simpler, easier, faster, and more profitable to leave medicine and its hassles to become professional investors. If I can overlay my own emotional makeup onto your physician friend, I would say if my networth were quintupling in three weeks, I would find my daily work to be an impediment to me. I'd likely be prescribing some tranqs for me too.

Very odd how this all turns out. For a person like me who's worked for many years... to see such returns... so quickly achieved by using guts and perseverance... I'm both in awe and also discouraged. Discouraged because it seems to trivialize the nature of the work, save, invest cycle that I've followed for so many years.

Perhaps a casino analogy might apply. If a new or inexperienced player comes up to the dice table and picks up the dice and starts shooting number after number (i.e. has win after win), I see the shooter look around the table and he sees more and more money being bet. So he bets more too. Doesn't really know what he's betting, just following the moves people around him are making, and betting more and more. And having more and more chips pile up in front of him. Telling the person about money management or the best bets on the dice table is useless. (if there were even time to talk to the person). Whatever he does, he wins. He has no fear. People are shouting and yelling and he is glazed: "What's this? Where have I been all my life. Easiest money I have ever made. I'm in heaven. It's going to last forever. I LOVE shooting dice." Starting with a small amount of money, maybe $25 dollars, the shooter takes off the table, when the roll finally ends, say $15,000 or $25,000 or more. Very excellent. But the shooter has a problem he doesn't know about. (It's not taxes -g-) It's that he will have much difficulty internalizing what his head knows. Which is, that a roll of that length (number after number) happens RARELY. For the occasional gambler himself, maybe once in a lifetime. To participate at the table when it occurs for somebody else, maybe once a decade, if that. And so, our new gambler, unless he is pretty internally balanced, he will come back to the table - "easy money, do it once, do it again" -- again and again looking to repeat that first experience. And fundamentals - conservative money management, playing the best values -- those will forever take a backseat to the person's knowledge that he was able to turn nothing into something big without all THAT stuff, and he should be able to do it again. And of course, ignoring those two variables (money management and value) now leads to rapid and excess losses.

Your physician friends have two issues then. When to sell (which for right now is moot -- never sell, bet more!), and what to do with the funds when they are sold. My belief is that such rapid accumulation of money by inexperienced punters forever diminishes in their eyes, the value of patient, value investing. But if they assume that they can replicate their current performance in future years as was done in '99 either with the same methods with the same stocks, or by finding different stocks, that is a mistake imo.

Some of this is my own cussing at myself for not being more gutsy and not being a huge winning player at the table (too). Which is embarrassing to me since, unlike most of you guys, I've been a player a lot longer. Some of it is the craziness of the whole casino. For now, it's impossible to argue that value counts. Alice - as in Wonderland - rules.

Just my opinion, I've been wrong many, many times, and compared to your physician investor(s), it certainly looks as if I'm maintaining my record.

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (9200)12/8/1999 11:54:00 PM
From: peter michaelson   of 51613
 
Paul:

I couldn't help making special note of your insightful and potentially very important point.

Discouraged because it seems to trivialize the nature of the work, save, invest cycle that I've followed for so many years.

That could be a severe social problem in the future. I wonder if it was a factor in the Great Depression.

Thanks for the insight. Peter




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To: Michael Burry who wrote (9197)12/9/1999 1:07:00 AM
From: James Clarke   of 51613
 
Mike's friend made half a million dollars in the last three weeks. You would think I would have been hearing these stories over and over and over again...not that I want to hear them. What makes me really think is that I have not been hearing these stories personally until the last couple weeks.

Mike lives in Silicon Valley, so I'm sure he's heard it for a long time. But I live outside Philadelphia. (But I work for an investment firm - my bosses are all multimillionares who know people - you'd think the buzz would be going around if it were real.) I find it very interesting that I started hearing these stories with specific names (hey, I know this guy that made x on the stock XYZ and is now worth half a million dollars) just a few weeks ago. And just today I heard three more stories like that. (Some guy bought the best house in the township off internet money). Honest to God, I had never heard a specific "I know him" story until two weeks ago, and today I heard three.

Is that a peak?

I remain short QQQ and will double down if it goes much higher.

JJC

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