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To: Paul Senior who wrote (47161)3/23/2012 11:20:19 AM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris   of 51743
 
My feeling is that the people running these companies will eventually go to the next higher level of fraud -- give "investors" something to draw them in so as to prop up the stock price while the fraud continues. And that would be a cash dividend -- if the real company owners haven't siphoned the cash off the books yet.

So you think that a dividend can be used for fraud paranoia too? What is the scenario you imagine? The company gives shareholders 10-20% stock price dividend, then what? Announces secondary? The stock price does not really go up much and would drop on secondary anyway. What other fraud possibilities you see that the dividend would enable? Isn't it silly to give out huge stock pile of cash as dividend that could be siphoned to the fraudulent management instead? And if the company is a fraud, where did it get the cash from anyway?

Disclosure: I own large positions in GAME and PWRD. GAME has paid 20%+ special dividend. PWRD is going to pay 10%+ special dividend.

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To: Ditchdigger who wrote (47151)3/23/2012 11:35:17 AM
From: Paul Senior   of 51743
 
ATK. I've no interest in guns as collectibles. I am interested in the surprising (to me) buys of all these RGR guns. I'll guess ammunition buying ought to be looked at. Pass for now on OLN. Will start a few shares of ATK for a tracking position.

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Relatively low p/e for a relatively high roe. Company profitable every year past ten. Issue might be, can it be profitable and at what level if Afghan war ends and US Dept of Defense does not become engaged elsewhere in another shooting war?

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (47162)3/23/2012 11:46:49 AM
From: Paul Senior   of 51743
 
A special one-time cash dividend would be one way I see. To propel the stock enabling insiders to unload or short. Just because the company might actually have cash on it's books, doesn't mean to me that it's not a fraud or fraudulently run.

Oops. Forgot I held PWRD and that it's Beijing domiciled. I recalled it as HK based.

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (47164)3/23/2012 12:15:41 PM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris   of 51743
 
To propel the stock enabling insiders to unload or short.

And how do you think GAME insiders can unload or short when they (SNDA) hold 73% of the stock?

Just because the company might actually have cash on it's books, doesn't mean to me that it's not a fraud or fraudulently run.

OK. So pretty much any company can be a fraud. I think there's nothing to discuss then. :)

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (47165)3/23/2012 12:51:46 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51743
 
I don't follow GAME, SNDA. Repeating a point, my opinion is that if Chinese companies are mainland-domiciled and pay a cash dividend, they might be worth a small bet if the usual metrics are in place. If they don't pay a cash dividend, if the metrics are good, if the cash is "supposedly" there, then for me, I'm just going to assume the worst and move on. And when the dink small companies start en-mass to pay cash dividends, I'll be especially cautious about re-entering. Assuming fraud again.

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From: MCsweet3/23/2012 12:59:07 PM
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Special situation DHT,

Tanker DHT is doing a rights offering of common and preferred (which is like common, but slightly inferior) at 0.70.

I am taking a small position, so I will own rights and have a call option to participate in the offering. I am assuming that many people won't be able to sign up, so I will have a call option to oversubscribe at a good price.

I listened to presentation, and it seemed liked a good opportunity to invest in a beat-up industry at a good price, with a company that will have raised cash and therefore hopefully be able to weather the storm.

I have down well in other special situation rights offerings (including predecessor company to MIL), but have not done well with tankers. As always, do your own due diligence. I believe the Ex rights date is the 27th, so you have the weekend to decide.

If anyone else cares to comment on the fundamentals of the company and/or how bad current management is, feel free to give me your feedback.

Best,
MC

PS: Feel free to hit me up publicly or privately with any special situations you might be interested in.

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From: Spekulatius3/23/2012 1:15:12 PM
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BATS halts orders after stock plummets to 4 centsThis is funny, they IPO'd at 16$, started trading at their own exchange and the stocks falls to 4c on the first day. it sounds like a comedy piece but i am sure, some of the folks involved don't laugh:


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To: Paul Senior who wrote (47034)3/23/2012 1:37:01 PM
From: gizwick   of 51743
 
Update is that PNX is breaking out prior to the split and is up 7% today.

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (47103)3/23/2012 3:12:44 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51743
 
In for a tad of PCCC. Not much to commend - the company seems to be a plodder and the stock's been mostly flat past few years. Fits what I'm looking for though. As I view it, a reseller/distributor selling under stated bv and near tangible bv. Relatively low p/sales.

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From: Paul Senior3/23/2012 3:25:01 PM
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I'll reenter Ampco-Pittsburgh (AP) for a starting few shares. I like the balance sheet -- more cash than debt. Low p/stated bv. Dividend. Profitable nine of past ten years. One of those prosaic industrial companies that doesn't ever seem to be growing (company has slow growing book value), yet whose stock can sometimes do okay if purchased at a low-enough price. This may or may not be the low-enough price -g-.

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