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To: Spekulatius who wrote (46249)1/20/2012 8:06:41 AM
From: Sergio H   of 51615
 
Volks always comes up with the best and original commercials.

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To: Spekulatius who wrote (46246)1/20/2012 8:30:52 AM
From: robert b furman1 Recommendation   of 51615
 
Hi CB,

You are correct - the manufacturers do push dealers into a bigger supply channel.To a much lessor degree now than say pre 08.

If you choose the desired vehicle - specify the options and colors,it is by far cheapest for a dealer to order and deliver vs locate ,trade,travel to obtain it, and then deliver it.

I had a large group of repeat customers and families that preferred to order and wait.

With a controlled supply vs demand (many plants are shut down) the time required to build a vehicle from order date to delivery is greatly reduced.

Most dealers have an internet or Business Development Center,they will be glad to accept and place a "SOLD" order.

What you want is a "Sold Order" status.Which will give you protection from future price increases - at least with GM it does.

It will not assure you the current rebate - that can go up or down.Historically as we enter the spring months the incentives generally go up into the best or highest for summer months.

In the GM lines 2012 will be done with production ending generally by early June - so the order should be placed by late April early May.

Big aggressive stores will want to trade and do the deal tomorrow.My advice would be to work periferal dealers, smaller single point stores - they'll be glad to take a sold order and keep you advised.

Work your deal based on Invoice or floor planned amount less rebates, which can be easily determined by factory websites and enjoy your buying experience with a quality dealer.


They are not hard to find.

If you keep your vehicle a long time (as it sounds you do) - I would predetermine the cost of a factory extended warranty plan as well, they will add to your purchase price - but cars are no longer simple and labor rates usually start at $100.00 plus per hour.As a percent of the product price they are not a bad deal and if ever needed you'll be glad you have it.If you trade every 50,000 mile don't bother.



Be prepared to be amazed at the very limited mark up dealers have with new vehicles.

It is often a great misperception.

Hope that helps.

Any questions - just holler.

Bob

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To: Ditchdigger who wrote (45339)1/20/2012 8:36:14 AM
From: Bocor   of 51615
 
KILGORE, Texas, Jan. 19, 2012 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Martin Midstream Partners L.P. (Nasdaq: MMLP - News) (the "Partnership") announced today that it has commenced an underwritten public offering of 2,300,000 common units (plus up to an additional 345,000 common units to cover over-allotments, if any) under its existing shelf registration statement. The Partnership intends to use the net proceeds from the offering to repay outstanding indebtedness incurred under its revolving credit facility and for general partnership purposes.
Down over 4% pre-market....

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To: Spekulatius who wrote (46249)1/20/2012 9:04:34 AM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris   of 51615
 
OT. People are saying good things about Hyundai, but I am not sure how well they execute more upper-class models. Honda/Toyota/Nissan have their luxury divisions for sending down tech to the mainline. So I'll be looking at Accord/Camry/Altima/Maxima again (might go with Acura/Lexus/Infiniti if there's a great value deal ;) but usually prices are too high). Love my 2003 Accord and even 97 Camry is going OK (knock on wood).

I've had station wagon (~80 Corolla) and hatchback (coupe?) (~79 Nissan SX). I did not see any advantages over sedan really. If you have to buy something big at a store, wagon sometimes is better, but most of the time it's still not enough (you need a truck). So really I'm not a hatchback/wagon fan. :) Had ~86 VW Jetta sedan - lots of electrical problems, paint problems, etc. so I gave up on VW. Probably won't go back.

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (46254)1/20/2012 9:23:04 AM
From: JakeStraw   of 51615
 
>>People are saying good things about Hyundai

When I was down in Florida last year I rented a Hyundai Sonata for two weeks and absolutely loved it. Personally I would buy one over a Camry, or Accord any day...

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To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (46254)1/20/2012 10:03:23 AM
From: Spekulatius   of 51615
 
Hello Jurgis, the sweet spot for Hyundai is the lower middle class (Elantra/ Sonata, Tuscan). Those cars are selling very well, they feel well build and very complete in terms of accessories. The cars are somewhat cheaper than Honda but not that much.

I was open to trying the Civic but the trunk is so small and the interior build quality is inferior to many vehicles out there. if you want a used value car, Nissan is the way to go, since their resale value is not as good as those of it's Japanese peers (but then Nissan's are really french cars <g>).

Right now I am driving a Ford Probe 1996 hatchback - I purchased this car when i moved to the US and I bought it cash really cheap back then. It's actually a fund car to drive but it's seeing the mechanic more and more often now and has reached the end of it's useful life. While a two seater, it's a great car to haul stuff around, I could do all errands for many home renovation projects with this car, which includes hauling a complete door with frame- try that with a sedan!

In the mid price sedan range, the new Camry Hybrid is a good value, imo. With hybrids, Toyota still got an edge and the value proposition at the price target for this car seems good.

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To: JakeStraw who wrote (46255)1/20/2012 10:23:48 AM
From: robert b furman   of 51615
 
Yen strength has forced a lot of content and quality out of Japanese made vehicles.

S Korea still benefitting from cheap currency vs Yen.

Bob

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To: robert b furman who wrote (46257)1/20/2012 10:32:49 AM
From: JakeStraw   of 51615
 
>>Yen strength has forced a lot of content and quality out of Japanese made vehicles.

In the 80's the Japanese were building great cars. I had an '81 Toyota Celica that I loved!
Now I find their cars to be boring and no fun to drive...

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To: Spekulatius who wrote (46256)1/20/2012 11:17:55 AM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris   of 51615
 
OT - I gave up on Corrolla/Civic class last time since it seemed that either you don't get much or you get the options, but pay almost the same as for Camry/Accord, so why settle for lower class priced-up with options?

I've thought about hybrids long time, but I am concerned that you are pretty much forced to use dealer mechanics for them and overall the system has more moving parts, so more failures. Plus it's harder to determine when the mechanic is just milking you for dough. I am too cheap to deal with that. :/

So probably Accord/Camry/Maxima/Altima/maybe Sonata + glances at Audi/Lexus/Acura/Infiniti. Somewhere couple years old, 50K miles, $15K or so. Might be tough depending on used car market, but I hope I don't need to do it for a bit longer. ;)

Good luck with your hunt. :)

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (46214)1/20/2012 11:54:51 AM
From: Spekulatius   of 51615
 
IEP Carl Icahn is a crook, imo. I found his machinations on DYN just unbelievable and if it's not illegal it ought to be really close. My concern is that one of these days, he will end up in jail and will loose everything - and so will those riding along with him.

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