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To: E_K_S who wrote (40326)11/30/2010 12:06:48 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51623
 
LLY. I've not considered LLY, EKS.

Has been difficult for me to figure, given drugs coming off-patent vs. its possible new drugs.

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With ABT, it has some diversity with medical device business, nutritional products.

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From: rllee11/30/2010 12:22:01 PM
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Sabra Health Care REIT - A recent spinoff from Sun Healthcare is projected to spin off a 7%+ yield and growing,

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The potential seems interesting. Does anyone here follow it and can comment?

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To: armi who wrote (40318)11/30/2010 12:32:58 PM
From: rllee   of 51623
 
NFLX is at a bubble stage and will be a great short when the momentum ends. Here are some of the negatives besides a very high evaluation:

1. They need content (TV shows online) to expand and would have to pay more for it in time

2. The ISP's like Comcast wants to charge them for their customer's high download/streaming usage which they need to pass on to customers or reduce its own profits. This is in today's Wall Street Journal.

3. Even if they charge everyone in the US capable of steaming their products a fee of $10/mo (or whatever the current rate is), it still will not add up to its current evaluation.

4. To expand they need to go overseas but foreign ISP typically block US programs (especially video) from use. To get overseas they have to pay more fees to foreign entities and pass on the costs to foreign customers.

There are probably more negatives but these are the ones that come to mind right now.

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To: richardred who wrote (38946)11/30/2010 12:52:40 PM
From: richardred   of 51623
 
SMRT-It's been on my watch list for some time. I bought some today to at least capture the special .50 dividend. I still like the fact the family hand still plays a part in the business. IMO the good balance sheet gives them good flexibility to be competitive with the likes of Walmart and other discounters. Their quality of clothes seems to be more upscale than Walmart's.

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (40333)11/30/2010 1:24:19 PM
From: E_K_S   of 51623
 
Good point Paul for ABT vs LLY.

Covidien plc. Ordinary Shares ((NYSE: COV )

I went for COV for a medical devise company. The COV dividend is much smaller than what ABT pays.

I do want to add some other pharmaceutical companies. My favorite is Merck & Co. Inc. (MRK). I would like to add more at any price below $30.00/share. My last buys in MRK were $27.00 and $29.00 in 4th Qtr 2008 and 2nd Qtr 2009 respectively.

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If MRK ever gets back down below $30.00/share, their dividend should yield over 5%.

EKS

FWIW - ULTR may see $7.00/share today. It's been a long hold for me but I am going to like the road back to $15.00/share especially after loading up last year in the $2.50/share area. Been looking to add to Fibria Celulose SA (FBR) (the re-emerged ARACRUZ CELULSE ADR NEWF (M) (ARA)- Brazilian Wood fiber producer). These two companies (FBR & ULTR) should be good South America emerging market plays. finance.yahoo.com 

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To: E_K_S who wrote (40337)11/30/2010 1:43:16 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51623
 
EKS. Brazil: I'll peel off some more ULTR at $7. My intent with this and previous sales is to add back on assumption that stock will retreat. That doesn't seem to be happening.

Proceeds moved to average up a little on Brazil etf BRF.

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To: richardred who wrote (39247)11/30/2010 1:51:01 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51623
 
Fwiw, I'll let go some UFPT. The spike on no news makes me nervous. Will re-add if stock drops back.

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (40339)11/30/2010 3:57:52 PM
From: Madharry   of 51623
 
boo hoo! watching my nice goog profits evaporate under HFTers. I guess I will be sitting tight through this downturn in the fetal position.

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To: Madharry who wrote (40340)11/30/2010 5:43:36 PM
From: Paul Senior   of 51623
 
GOOG. Madharry, I guess it's the possible overpay for Groupon. $6B. Still, GOOG has $33B in cash.

I'm sticking with my long-time evaluation metric. IF GOOG outstanding profit margins hold up, GOOG is worth a p/e of 25 or more. IF the 12/'11 analyst average estimate for earnings is correct (about $33/sh), GOOG fair value imo s/b over $800/sh --- higher than the $700 I've been mentioning over the past couple of years. Not that it particularly matters: I've either been wrong in my valuation or even if I'm correct, if the market won't ever validate it, then that's a value trap I'm in.

I continue to hold all shares.

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To: Paul Senior who wrote (40341)11/30/2010 11:37:24 PM
From: Madharry   of 51623
 
I am holding too. however i just read an interesting comment on cnbc.com namely rather than pay $6 billion for groupon they could buy gannett for a lot less. it has a market cap of $3.1 Billion and then it could be going local in a big way. personally i dont see that groupon has anything that makes it worth anything close to that long term, no particular barriers to entry. I would rather see goog make some oil investments for $6billion myself.

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