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To: dvdw© who wrote (21341)7/11/2012 1:15:14 PM
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You're killin' me. This is like explaining sex to an 8 year old. Without the background it's just words, speeches.

it supposedly shows appearance and subsequent transfer of mass between particles,

You see, I had to use non technical language so that you could get some kind of picture of what they're doing, but in doing so the given picture can't be used to reason about these things.

I had to use "transfer" because I couldn't use "spontaneous symmetry breaking". When the gauge symmetry is broken instantaneously the bosons have the property of, or "acquire", mass. A massive gauge symmetry could only be understood within a QG, quantum gravity. So far trying to do that within QFT entails intractable infinities(nonrenormalizability).Even at this level this kind of thing seems questionable, partially because you can't use classical concepts to picture these things. That's why I went into that repartee about epistemology. So the question remains. Where does mass come from? A boson, say W, acquires mass. We know it does by experiments done long ago as part of Glashow, Salaam, Weinberg, Electroweak Theory Later. t'Hooft showed the mathematical consistency and universality of this theory up to, but not including, gravity.

thereby showing that the HB appearance & mass is present, and subsequently transferred to particles W Z from the higgs born of the collisions.

No one has tried to give a finer explanation of the causal trail than what already exists. Mass "comes" from the Higgs field in the EWSB, QFT SM., that is, if the Higgs field exists. I claim it doesn't, but the rest of the mechanism is valid. So how do i reconcile getting something from nothing? There's more going on here than say, Wilcek, would ever believe, like new energy scales at 10 TEV and 1000 TEV.

apparently the idea that the weight of the area

Weight of the area? Sounds like Hawking radiation, Beckenstein Bound,, or some such. There are sophisticated notions that use those terms but I'm not familiar with them in this arena.

where the transform or exchange supposedly occurs

You didn't get my repartee about HUP. There is no "there" there, even though there has to be if we want to impose quantum gravity on the universe! Specifically, you have to think in terms of energy and momenta rather than in terms of space when you're dealing with quantum phenomenon. Because of wave particle duality in some sense we can't dump notions of space, but we can transform between position and momentum using Fourier transforms. Ah, now you see what was behind my undergrad science curriculum repartee.

does not constitute any area, where these measurements become the defining protocol for whether the appearance and exchange between the particles actually occurred.

It's not about that. The "transfer" occurs. OK? The researchers lie to government but not to each other.
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